And I know the idea is to try and shoot the other players but if they get in first, you end up with some real horrible stains which just won't wash out, doesn't matter what detergent you use and given the cost of playing tops...not a good thing. I do realise that the paintball makers want good marking characteristics but c'mon guys paint never used to be like this ....Banner was evil (but very very cheap) but not even Cal-Mag or Scherer or the Nelson from the same time. No need for this evil fill they are putting in some makes right now......oh and as the NPPL now has restricted the colour orange from Playing tops I guess we will move to lighter colours so even more reason to want to keep wearing our new tops and not having to replace every few tournys.