terror tourists
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Just the results that followed the Oslo accords. No one has to tell me what I can see with my own eyes. All you gotta do is see who benefited the most (Yasser) and who benefited the least (Israel) after Oslo.
While I'll admit that the terror groups would eventually turn on Yasser if he honestly tried to dismantle them, the fact that not one attempt has occured says much, especially when he signed the Oslo accords.
One needs to understand that the bombers are civilians until the moment they kill themselves and those around them, which makes it hard to kill a "bomber" but easy to kill an "innocent" civilian. These kids attend schools where the curriculum regarding the Jews traces it's roots to Nazi Germany, and they are convinced that the way to paradise resides in strapping explosive to their chests and taking a stroll through a Jewish marketplace. When Arafat's own wife, living extremely well in Paris, says that she wished she had a son to sacrifice for the cause, it says a lot. Of course they don't have a son nor do they make any of the sacrifices their own people do. It is those who recruit, train, and fund these poor misguided kids that are in immediate need of death, and Israel is currently working on that. If Yasser were truly, "a man of peace," as his Nobel prize says, and feels his police aren't up to the challenge, then all he would have to do is ask for help to dismantle the terror groups. At the very least he can end the sick anti-Semitic propaganda being taught to grade schoolers. But he doesn't. And don't forget that this man survived Israeli death squads for decades when world opinion wasn't as critical of Israel (or at least they didn't give a **** what it was anyhow), so I'm sure he can make himself scarce as the 75th Rangers, Delta Force, and Seal teams raid the Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad & Brigade's apartments and houses with the information provided by Yasser and his lackeys. If the US is too western to bring in, than Egyptian and Turkish spec-warriors would suffice.
bah not intelligent enough for this conversation any more 
however have a learnt summat and for that i thank you all
peace (if only)
however have a learnt summat and for that i thank you all peace (if only)
Mark, we have common ground. I am surprised.
The easiest way to distinguish between "freedom fighter" and "terrorist" is to examine the targets. Freedom fighters don't kill civilians, they kill soldiers and destroy military targets. Terrorists kill whoever they can to make people feel less safe.
I feel that Israel is not innocent, as the nation was founded in an occupied part of the world, and those occupants were driven out of their land forcibly, but then, so was this country (US). I suppose if you look back far enough, so was England, France, Japan, and most every country. There is a fair amount of propaganda in Israeli schools as well, where children are taught that Palestinians were begged to stay, but left because they didn't want to live with the Jews. According to Ben-Gurion's diary, Israel was never intended to be inclusive of the Palestinians, and it follows that the Palestinians had to get out.
Not that that excuses killing non-combatants, but the resentment of Palestinians is understandable, even without anti-Semitism.
You may have spoken too soon.
I'm not sure that you can blame Jews for the actual foundation of a Jewish state. The British Balfour Declaration and the League of Nations implementation were the doings of others. However any conduct thereafter maybe open for speculation.
True, the Jordanians, Kuwaitis, and Saudis have been quite harsh in their treatment of Palestinian refugees.
We can compare the (arguable) belief that the Jews were offering to share the land with the Palestinians but they refused, with the quote from a 10th grade Palestinian text book that says, "The logic of justice obligates the application of the single verdict [on the Jews] from which there is no escape; namely, that their criminal intentions be turned against them and that they be exterminated. The duty of Muslims of our time is to pull themselves together, unite their ranks, and wage war on their enemy until Allah hands down his judgment on them and us." Now, do those 2 examples equate to a "fair amount" of propaganda?
Yet there are Arabs who vote and serve in the Israeli parliament today. Can anyone honestly see the Palestinians (with it's present leadership) according that same privilege to a Jew?
Only in america,
sounds stupid dont it,but we had to think the same way in northern ireland whilst on patrol,sort of puts things in perspective once you've been there ,done that and got the t-shirt
sounds stupid dont it,but we had to think the same way in northern ireland whilst on patrol,sort of puts things in perspective once you've been there ,done that and got the t-shirt
guys this is a paintball forum not a political forum
sheesh,where are the mod's on this one they have a go at ya for putting an extra 'bump' in but they let prime minister's question time go on for 2 or 3 pages
sheesh,where are the mod's on this one
they have a go at ya for putting an extra 'bump' in but they let prime minister's question time go on for 2 or 3 pages
The common ground I was refering to was regarding the whole "one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist." The distinction is not so blurry as many make it out to be, as you indicate. I point out the common ground because it is remarkable for it's scarcity.
As far as which side is expounding more deplorable propaganda, I am not comfortable saying which is worse, since both are wrong. I realize that there are varying degrees of bad, but propaganda that perpetuates conflict is ongoing, on both sides of this.
As far as bad treatment of Palestinians, I realize that Arabian states abuse them (Palestinians), too. That doesn't make it ok for Israel to do so, however.
No, I cannot imagine a Palestinian State allowing Jewish politicians to sit in legislative seats. Then again, I cannot imagine a Palestinian State to exist under current leadership.
If the mods delete this, so be it. I'll do my part to keep it civil and respectful, and I am sure Mark will too. If the discussion has drifted too far from paintball, sorry for wasting forum space.
As far as which side is expounding more deplorable propaganda, I am not comfortable saying which is worse, since both are wrong. I realize that there are varying degrees of bad, but propaganda that perpetuates conflict is ongoing, on both sides of this.
As far as bad treatment of Palestinians, I realize that Arabian states abuse them (Palestinians), too. That doesn't make it ok for Israel to do so, however.
No, I cannot imagine a Palestinian State allowing Jewish politicians to sit in legislative seats. Then again, I cannot imagine a Palestinian State to exist under current leadership.
If the mods delete this, so be it. I'll do my part to keep it civil and respectful, and I am sure Mark will too. If the discussion has drifted too far from paintball, sorry for wasting forum space.