System X user's please read.

[Russell Smith]

Please be advised that because of this manufacturer is now supplying this marker with the fully auto mode selectable by the user it is my intention to ban this marker forthwith from any PA league events unless it can be showed that the marker presented has fully auto locked out.

I have yet to speak to Steve Bull regarding Series 2K4 but I expect he will agree with me and follow suit.

I will also be advising all UK tournament organisers.

 

[JoseDominguez]

Russ.......... doesn't that make it a category A firearm?
Capable of firing on auto without significant modification?
Banned from PA is bad........... ten year custodial is worse.

 

[Scooterboy]

This is interesting.

Arn't most electronic markers capable of firing fully auto. Some Spyders certainly are, are they banned too.

 

[JoseDominguez]

if your marker is capable of firing full auto then it's illegal under UK LAW not just against the rules. This is serious.......... how many players aren't aware of this? it's a worry.
In the UK, anything that can fire full auto and isn't a toy (airsoft) is an illegal firearm............ it puts a full auto system X in the same category as an AK47. It's not just firing it...... it's owning it. Even if you don't flick the switch or change the mode it's illegal if you can do it.
And before anyone says "but it's just a marker" or any of the other arguments......... remember, this is England, the laws don't have to make sense. We are allowed semi's that fire paintballs, full auto immediately takes your marker out of the "special case" in the firearms act that allows us to avoid UK gun control. As does firing anything but paint if a letter I got from the home office is anything to go by........ training rounds included.

 

[Steve Hancock]

Most marker capable of full auto, when imported to the uk have that function removed don't they? Like the spyders mentioned. They have a little chip removed

 

[DoctorZoidberg]

ahh another.. full auto isnt illegal thread lol..
the spyders have a small circuit board jumper.. afaik remove this jumper and that removes the full auto.. but it doesnt stop you solding a bridge on the other side of the board if you so wish < correct me if im wrong on the spyder bit

and ill say it again, but am not going to discuss it.. if the projectile doesnt inflict a fatal wound then it is not illegal, well not according to the firearms department at UK customs

and i think that banning full auto's from PA events is the correct thing to do

 

[JoseDominguez]

You've misread or misinterpretted the law mate. I got my advice from the home office firearms department........ the people who decide how to prosecute, not customs.
Markers are exempt from class 5 firearms law as a specific "special case". As long as they fire at legal velocity. However, ALL automatic weapons are illegal in England...... this includes markers (air soft escape as they are classed as "toys"). The ban on auto's is a blanket ban........ any automatic firearms is illegal....... markers are by definition "firearms" they just escape the full extent of the law (like air guns). There are no "special cases" for full auto's if it's capable of firing full auto then it's illegal (even if you never fire it on auto).
And the definition of fatal is "capable of inflicting a less than trivial injury"........ read into it a bit further. And why get advice from customs? they won't be prsoecuting the first bloke who says "zoidberg said it was OK".
It's still a grey area........ we haven't had a test case yet, but the HO inform me that anyone committing an offence with a full auto marker would be tried under the laws governing class 5 firearms........ not good.
As for banning full auto from the PA? it's illegal at every single UK tourney.......so that's irrelevant anyway.

FULL AUTO IS ILLEGAL, if anyone wishes to argue then there is only one way to prove otherwise....... be the test case. If you're confident enough to give everyone else bad advice then go for it.
See you in 2014. You may get away with it, you'll probably just have your kit confiscated. Willing to risk it?

 

[DoctorZoidberg]

i didnt read it.. i spent 1 hour on the phone about bringing a ram into the country.. not only is this a full auto gun, but it is a exact replica. i am only repeating what the guy incharge of the firearms deparment @ uk customs said which was quoted from the firearms act. so after hearing this, i didnt consider to phone the home office up as id assume the head guy @ firearms department would know what he was talking about.. AND for all i know it could have been any section of a government.. i phoned customs to start with, but was given other numbers and transferred numerous times so i spose i could have been speaking to a monkey in botswana who was very convincing?!?

i dont intend to own one so really cant be bothered to prove either way.. so for the minute, ill take your word for it

""""As for banning full auto from the PA? it's illegal at every single UK tourney.......so that's irrelevant anyway.""""

i meant the banning of this sys X marker, as in the topic of this thread..


and why am i on this threaD? i got an eblade fs ..

and where did i say it was ok to run round with a full auto marker? ? ?? ?? ? ??

 

[Hotpoint]

To quote the Home Office advice to the UKPSF

"While only the courts can offer a final ruling, it seems likely that a paintball gun capable of fully automatic or burst fire would count as a prohibited weapon under Section 5(1)(a) of the Firearms Act 1968. The maximum penalty for possessing such an item is ten years imprisonment. A circuit board or chip to allow fully automatic or burst fire would be a component part of such a weapon"

For the record whilst many markers are capable of F/A it is having this available without modification that makes them fall foul of the law

To draw a parallel. Pump-Action shotguns can be modified to carry more than three shells. It is not the fact you can modify them but the fact you have modified it that puts you in breach of the law. I could wire up my old Shocker to fire F/A. But it's not illegal until I actually do

If the System X Markers have F/A available without modification they are in breach of the Firearms Acts. I hope that is clear

Oh yeah Read my Sig

 

[DoctorZoidberg]

lol.. thx for that