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Originally posted by Mark Toye-Nexus
If you dont hold the gun at that angle you are asking for to shot from wider angles. But you go ahead - easy meat
You mean your hopper is asking to get shot from wider angles? Cause I mean nothing else is really changing...

Now 1 on 1, straight on, leaning his hopper over makes the overall width of his profile greater, and he can still get shot in the head, which his hopper was pretty much overlapping anyway. Yes, no? Just seems like you are giving the ball from hell more of a chance to catch you...
 

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Originally posted by Baca Loco
Actually, despite my "asking" in a couple threads no "answers" were ever forthcoming.

Beyond that it seems to me if the proverbial shoe was on the other foot some peeps would be squealing like a bunch of Catholic schoolgirls at a college kegger. Here everyone is more than happy to pronounce the 'Phinest' a pack of cheaters, for all intents and purposes, yet where's the proof? Brits in general seem to be an amazingly prickly lot when it comes to your PB pride but y'all got no problem dissing the next guy and feeling holier than thou in the process.
Just an observation.
Baca.....

i think the process of events were a little like this....

it was clearly obvious that Philly were using ramping guns vs the Legion (which obviously helped them!:D;)) and then the following day in their first match they were still using guns that were doing jumps of approx 10bps to in excess of 20bps (with no dips in the sound pitch at all) Steve Morris was stood next to the netting alongside several of us and he acknowledged that something was a little fishy!

i belive that after that match Steve spoke to the Philly boys and asked them to remove the mode or slow the mode or even replace the boards with standard boards, of which they denied any idea of the above 'features'! - for obvious reasons!

then in the next match low and behold they were ramping but no where near the level that they were against the Legion or in their first match.

i must say a big thankyou and massive respect to Trauma, who came over with completely stock boards (well they shot like stock boards!) and proved that their game play and personal skillz are what won their matches not shear gun dominance by modes! these guys are not only straight up top blocks (and kids!) but they played awesome all weekend.

this post contains my views and if anything i have mentioned about the Steve Morris envolvement is incorrect then i apologise, but i am sure it was as close an account of the situation as i can recall.
 

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Originally posted by noop
You mean your hopper is asking to get shot from wider angles? Cause I mean nothing else is really changing...

Now 1 on 1, straight on, leaning his hopper over makes the overall width of his profile greater, and he can still get shot in the head, which his hopper was pretty much overlapping anyway. Yes, no? Just seems like you are giving the ball from hell more of a chance to catch you...
Sorry have i missed something here, or is this not a technique thread :rolleyes:

Anyways, nice gat :)
Hope u get bak spesh :(

Darwood :cool:
 

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Shocker theft

Sorry for your loss Spesh and I do hope the scumbag who nicked it is caught, but the real thief is how much Smart parts charges for them in the first place.After reading a thread in newbies, replies are most welcome from Baca Loco & Buddha3.Very witty, keep it coming..
 

Baca Loco

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Shocker theft

Originally posted by PETEB......
Sorry for your loss Spesh and I do hope the scumbag who nicked it is caught, but the real thief is how much Smart parts charges for them in the first place.After reading a thread in newbies, replies are most welcome from Baca Loco & Buddha3.Very witty, keep it coming..
You laughing at us? You laughing at us? You think we're funny, like clowns?

Uh-oh, that's it. Time to punch the clock. I'm outta here. Off for the weekend. Yo, Jay, you pick this up bright and early Monday morning, okay?
 

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Beyond that it seems to me if the proverbial shoe was on the other foot some peeps would be squealing like a bunch of Catholic schoolgirls at a college kegger. Here everyone is more than happy to pronounce the 'Phinest' a pack of cheaters, for all intents and purposes, yet where's the proof? Brits in general seem to be an amazingly prickly lot when it comes to your PB pride but y'all got no problem dissing the next guy and feeling holier than thou in the process.
Paul:

The UK tourney scene is still small enough and the gun is unique enough that if someone tries to use the gun here, it will be noticed. Since we don't know any of the details of when or where it was stolen from (other than 'at campaign cup over the weekend') we really don't even know where to look. I think that people will be a little less sympathetic to the loss of this particular gun as it's generally accepted that Spesh didn't pay for it, and smart parts will probably replace it without too much concern.
That dosn't make it right, but it does make it a different situation than if 'Johnny paintballer' spent his hard earned money from his summer job on a gun and had it stolen.

As for the guns, they were ramping like crazy, and the proof is the fact the penalty that was assessed against Eric Dearman. We would have banned several other players too, but sadly we lack the equiptment in europe to test the guns, and the judges lacked the resolve to simply pull the guns based on what they were seeing.
Philly's guns were ramping out of control. I watched every one of their games, pointed out ramping guns to the judges, sat with three different gun techs from the sideline, and they all agreed that the guns were ramping, but Steve Morris, and the Judges refused to do anything about it on the grounds that there was no way to test and prove the guns were ramping. Apparently just because you can see, and hear the gun ramping, that's not enough 'Proof'

They were asked politely to control their guns, as was Trauma who did play with what appeared to be stock and legal boards. They did sort some of the guns out after we penalised Eric Deerman, but not all the guns were legal, there was a 'superman' blue and red shocker that was out of control almost all weekend. I think the thing that really bothers me about it was that we were totally powerless to control it. What scares me is the idea that these kinds of boards will eventually make their way to the UK, into the hands of lower ranked teams.

I think the point that most English and European paintballers feel is that Philly are of a calibur that they don't need to have this kind of gun cheat to win against the open x-ball teams. Trauma certainly didn't.

Having said all that, none of the teams who played Philly got too upset about it, they were more excited that they siimply got to play one of the best teams in the world.
 

Baca Loco

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Originally posted by Red_Merkin
Philly's guns were ramping out of control. I watched every one of their games, pointed out ramping guns to the judges, sat with three different gun techs from the sideline, and they all agreed that the guns were ramping, but Steve Morris, and the Judges refused to do anything about it on the grounds that there was no way to test and prove the guns were ramping. Apparently just because you can see, and hear the gun ramping, that's not enough 'Proof'
Thanks, Col. Finally someone explained the situation and the officials lack of "something" in dealing with an obvious problem.
One wonders--at least I do--if it wasn't a return to the old days of bending over backwards for the PB royalty. Can't say I'm surprised that the Phinest felt no shame, though.
Frankly, I don't see how this doesn't undermine all the efforts Steve and others have made this year with regards officiating in the MS. The refs will shoot all your paint if they think your gun bounces but they will sit on their hands if you're using a more sophisticated and blatant cheat 'cus they can't prove it. What is the likely result? A whole lot of special DM4s, Timmys and Nerves I would guess.