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little old town,
down in tennessee.
a real quiet community,
a real quiet southern community.
not much happens in nutbush;
you can hear the corn grow.
down in tennessee.
a real quiet community,
a real quiet southern community.
not much happens in nutbush;
you can hear the corn grow.
A legendary event--storied in verse and song.
As to the rest of you--I'm sorely disappointed that you have generally managed to comport yourselves with a modicum of dignity and thoughtfulness. I was looking forward to a little blood on the sand.
Furby--if you play your cards right I can get you an interview with the second cousin of Mama Lambini's housekeeper who knows where all the skeletons are buried.
I'm scared to ask...but are the skeletons literal or figurative?Originally posted by Baca Loco
A legendary event--storied in verse and song.
As to the rest of you--I'm sorely disappointed that you have generally managed to comport yourselves with a modicum of dignity and thoughtfulness. I was looking forward to a little blood on the sand.
Furby--if you play your cards right I can get you an interview with the second cousin of Mama Lambini's housekeeper who knows where all the skeletons are buried.
Furby,
I did not mean to give the impression that I thought you were somehow irresponsible or afraid to be political. I know that in your role you need to at least give the appearance of being neutral and I know that in spite of that, everyone has an opinion. I took your lead when you mentioned avoiding politics. I should have been more clear that for you that is a responsibility. My rant was more my venting and reliving the frustrations of “yesteryear” in watching the NPPL teams lose their league to a few self-serving individuals, simply because the teams wanted to avoid the politics or not contradict sponsors and promoters.
Rancid’s point is on the mark - money rules, but player power IS the rudder. It’s unfortunate that money often clouds the players focus on the long term and they give up control of that rudder. The renewed amateur fury 2 years ago was equally depressing. They saw the inconsistencies between pro and amateur contributions when compared to prize packages and other perks, but were unable to mount a serious threat to take back the rudder. Chris was comparing apples and oranges - his small league of non-polarized young teams, simply can’t compare to the dozens of NPPL teams that were being manipulated by politically motivated individuals with conflicting agendas. So, Nick, I applaud what you have accomplished accross the pond. It is a huge and difficult task to organize so many, which is another reason (as I believe Rancid pointed out) that there needs to be someone at the top with a focus on that vision and weighing the money concerns with the player power. I wish the US teams would follow the European lead.
I did not mean to give the impression that I thought you were somehow irresponsible or afraid to be political. I know that in your role you need to at least give the appearance of being neutral and I know that in spite of that, everyone has an opinion. I took your lead when you mentioned avoiding politics. I should have been more clear that for you that is a responsibility. My rant was more my venting and reliving the frustrations of “yesteryear” in watching the NPPL teams lose their league to a few self-serving individuals, simply because the teams wanted to avoid the politics or not contradict sponsors and promoters.
Rancid’s point is on the mark - money rules, but player power IS the rudder. It’s unfortunate that money often clouds the players focus on the long term and they give up control of that rudder. The renewed amateur fury 2 years ago was equally depressing. They saw the inconsistencies between pro and amateur contributions when compared to prize packages and other perks, but were unable to mount a serious threat to take back the rudder. Chris was comparing apples and oranges - his small league of non-polarized young teams, simply can’t compare to the dozens of NPPL teams that were being manipulated by politically motivated individuals with conflicting agendas. So, Nick, I applaud what you have accomplished accross the pond. It is a huge and difficult task to organize so many, which is another reason (as I believe Rancid pointed out) that there needs to be someone at the top with a focus on that vision and weighing the money concerns with the player power. I wish the US teams would follow the European lead.
Biff and Steve
The only way an international comittee would work in paintball is that if there were no political or financial gain for ANY member of that comittee to be involved with the sport.
The only problem I have with this is that "Federations" are no different than those who control the sport now. They'll take a bribe just as much as the next guy will. Take the Olympic Committee for example....A quote taken from a newspaper article read "Senior International Olympic Committee officials have been questioning some of its 13 members who are accused of involvement in a major corruption scandal." THIRTEEN SENIOR members of the comittee were being investigated.
The only way an international comittee would work in paintball is that if there were no political or financial gain for ANY member of that comittee to be involved with the sport.
At the risk of keeping this debate going...
Epa? what the fk is that, other than a willo-the-wisp gathering of itinerant pick-pockets? C'mon Nick, where else the epa when the gloss runs out? Up my arse, that's where.
The only way an international comittee would work in paintball is that if there were no political or financial gain for ANY member of that comittee to be involved with the sport.
eh? Awww c'mon. We deserve more than this on P8ntballer. Let's talk fkin turkey here. The only way a comittee would work is if the top geezer was earning enough to pay his bills.
My masters are you mad? Or what are you?
Epa? what the fk is that, other than a willo-the-wisp gathering of itinerant pick-pockets? C'mon Nick, where else the epa when the gloss runs out? Up my arse, that's where.
The only way an international comittee would work in paintball is that if there were no political or financial gain for ANY member of that comittee to be involved with the sport.
eh? Awww c'mon. We deserve more than this on P8ntballer. Let's talk fkin turkey here. The only way a comittee would work is if the top geezer was earning enough to pay his bills.
<< For us Europeans, Toulouse will be the hour of truth, as it is there we see how many players and teams will back up the incentive.
You MAY be able to read in here by mid July, that it failed. >>
That would be ashame, Nick. Not just because it’s passage would be an incentive for other organized player unions. But worse, that would leave Chris as the only success story and we would never hear the end of it. Ahhh, who am I kidding? We’ll never hear the end of it, anyway - unless it fails. But, that brings me back to a point I touched on earlier - the college teams have not been corrupted as much by the system. With a constant flow of new players into that league, it could remain that way for some time.
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<< The only problem I have with this is that "Federations" are no different than those who control the sport now. They'll take a bribe just as much as the next guy will. Take the Olympic Committee for example....A quote taken from a newspaper article read "Senior International Olympic Committee officials have been questioning some of its 13 members who are accused of involvement in a major corruption scandal." THIRTEEN SENIOR members of the comittee were being investigated.
The only way an international comittee would work in paintball is that if there were no political or financial gain for ANY member of that comittee to be involved with the sport. >>
As true and awful as that is Bryan, what is the alternative? Money talks. But, I have to say that I do know a handful of people in this industry that while they like money, they would never do the sort of things you suggest.
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<< The only way a comittee would work is if the top geezer was earning enough to pay his bills. >>
Ahh Rancid, I would go one better than basic economics - the “top geezer” should make a little something beyond his bills, else he will have no incentive to continue and to reinvest that money into improving things that need improving.For us Europeans, Toulouse will be the hour of truth, as it is there we see how many players and teams will back up the incentive.
You MAY be able to read in here by mid July, that it failed.
You MAY be able to read in here by mid July, that it failed. >>
That would be ashame, Nick. Not just because it’s passage would be an incentive for other organized player unions. But worse, that would leave Chris as the only success story and we would never hear the end of it. Ahhh, who am I kidding? We’ll never hear the end of it, anyway - unless it fails. But, that brings me back to a point I touched on earlier - the college teams have not been corrupted as much by the system. With a constant flow of new players into that league, it could remain that way for some time.
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<< The only problem I have with this is that "Federations" are no different than those who control the sport now. They'll take a bribe just as much as the next guy will. Take the Olympic Committee for example....A quote taken from a newspaper article read "Senior International Olympic Committee officials have been questioning some of its 13 members who are accused of involvement in a major corruption scandal." THIRTEEN SENIOR members of the comittee were being investigated.
The only way an international comittee would work in paintball is that if there were no political or financial gain for ANY member of that comittee to be involved with the sport. >>
As true and awful as that is Bryan, what is the alternative? Money talks. But, I have to say that I do know a handful of people in this industry that while they like money, they would never do the sort of things you suggest.
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<< The only way a comittee would work is if the top geezer was earning enough to pay his bills. >>
Ahh Rancid, I would go one better than basic economics - the “top geezer” should make a little something beyond his bills, else he will have no incentive to continue and to reinvest that money into improving things that need improving.For us Europeans, Toulouse will be the hour of truth, as it is there we see how many players and teams will back up the incentive.
You MAY be able to read in here by mid July, that it failed.
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Actually..
The best way to go is have the guy running the player's league make enough money to pay his bills, feed his family, and maybe then some...
And make KEEPING that privilege contingent on surviving a vote by the players. Don't get reelected, you get to be unemployed. That's it.
- Chris
The best way to go is have the guy running the player's league make enough money to pay his bills, feed his family, and maybe then some...
And make KEEPING that privilege contingent on surviving a vote by the players. Don't get reelected, you get to be unemployed. That's it.
- Chris
True. When I mentioned it, I didnt mean that everyone was corrupt and would accept a bribe. But there are people that are in the sport just for the money, and there are people that are in it to better the sport.
I'm in it for the betterment of the sport.