Some M25 marshalling suggestions, what do you think?

[Alien]

After having played this one, i felt that overall the reffing was ok on fields 1,2 and 3. there were refs that were inexperianced on the fields but they did a good job and did their best.

And after reffing 2 previous legs and seeing how some of the players treat the refs on the fields, is it any wonder that it's sometimes hard to get refs.

Alien

 

[Mark]

sJt 19 for a change has made some balanced and valid points. however for replys so far in this thread for the most part you would be extremely hard pushed to find any tournament where there was no scathing of a particular marshal or field...if something doesn't go the way of the player involved of course they are going to bitch about it. I personally have been ripped by marshals across the world, the worse bias I have expirenced was at NTF many many years ago...so although it was some time back, it happened, so is my view that tournaments further north are unfair?...NO but I "could" say that they were. Sparklies tournaments as pointed out for southern teams are the only choice and they are not held in the traditional area that we have come to accept ie field by the side of a wood, if a concept field. Do some of the people here in the south really want to go back to a muddy field with deflating bunkers and 3 refs on the field and watch the tournament winners annouce that they have only played once at a practice and never in a tournament before?

 

[Troggy]

I think one problem is that there are an awful lot of people that have marshalled all or nearly all the legs.

One field yesterday had one of the guys who had never marshalled before and plays for a div 4 team. This bloke spent every game i saw running all over the field to make calls whilst others I have seen on fields many times this series sit there and do nothing! Is it possible that the individual is bored to death of the long day, the stress of dealing with us lot of moaning gits (lets face it we are on the field), for very little in return. I know I would!

Sam I agree with your points entirely, however I don't think the series is big enough in attendance to be marshalled by div 1 and 2 teams alone. Maybe 2 div 1 teams, 2 div 2 teams and 1 div 3 team (the div 1 team split up across the 4 fields to gain experience as Ian mentioned). However this still leaves us short. I think the average number of teams in div 1 and 2 is 8, which is only enough to cover 4 legs of the series. You may be able to cover one more leg with teams that only play one or two legs but there is still a short fall.

Unfortunately I don't have an answer to this, just posing questions. To me it seems like a catch 24, Sam you are right better marshalling will bring in more teams, as this is the key let down at the moment, but until we have more teams there are not enough marshalls to go round....

 

[sjt19]

Dixxy's idea is good about cross series judging.

Joey......fair point......

 

[skullicious]

Don't try and drop it like Outkast let everyone down at the last minute...
We gave about a week's notice that we wouldn't be able to make it as we had various problems regarding transport.

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by IanC
To be honest I think that offering a free days play to a team probably won't help to attract more teams into marshalling.

I think it would, it wold save each player around £45 each. Thats a lot!

Originally posted by IanC
A lot of teams at the M25 in the lower divisions probably don't have the opportunity to play very often, as there are so few tourneys in the south. So when something like the M25 comes along, everybody wants to play every leg.

Thats fine, without sounding patronising, often it is the lower teams who do not make good marshalls as they are not experienced players and do not know what to look for. The teams in Div 1 have mostly reffed in the MS and know what is what and are capable of making those split second decisions that lower team judges agonise over.

Originally posted by IanC
Also many of the teams lack marshalling experience, so getting them to marshall may not solve any problems. We would certainly make untold Fcuk ups! !

Not in Div 1, there are teams who have judged thousands of games, i know that the guys in my team have reffed at a high standard for years. They judged Toulouse last year, the Orlando World Cup and we will be judging Campaign. That is just an example of the experience floating around in Div 1, all are capable of doing a superb job. Sparklie just needs a way to secure their services at least once over the series.

Originally posted by IanC
Except suppose a team has 8 players from its roster to marshall. Could we put 2 onto each field to direct/help/advise the less experienced marshalls?

Spliting marshal crews up has little effect, as there as 2 experienced judges who can not see the whole field, whereas 8 marshalls can lock up a field and work well together if they trust each others judgements, thats why teams stay together to marshall.

I think that Dixxys suggestion of taking judging teams from other series' is a great idea. Maybe that would work.

 

[L J]

as we had a little amount of marshalls, we could only have a max of about 2 experience marshalls per field, with 3/4 un experienced marshalls.

as i have said, alot of teams thanked us on field every game, sincerely, especially the tigers, i like these guys sorry to the one with the red matrix or impy, i took him to chrony every game he played on field 2

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by cockersrule
sincerely, especially the tigers, i like these guys

there were only 2 tigers playing yesterday, no-game-woz and paul. They were a combined Tigers and Shock team.

 

[L J]

oh...well they were all in there tiger unfiforms...but they were a pleasure to marshall except the first game....they claimed my watch was wrong and we ran the game for 10 minutes

 

[D6]

It's DICKY, Sam.....and I think it was Grandads idea