So is that it for this month?

[Mark]

Amem Mark!

Originally posted by Coran @ Bullswood
Although there's nothing wrong with a bit of woodland tourny 'ball!!

That was what I was trying to say....it is the current thinking that we don't need woodland (wrong IMO) so that if a woodland tournament was organised as an extra one to the list of available tournaments, the two people I mentioned do not have the area to provide supair or hyperball so it would be another date on the calender but one that wouldn't be garranteed to be filled cos of the lack of the so called "new school" elements.

 

[SPUD-FIRESTORM]

Great idea 3 leagues 1 PRO 1 AM 1 NOVICE,Meeting once a month,You could even have a KO cup to include all of the Teams.
But trouble is we all have ideas but we need some hard working people with a bit of spare time and knowledge of Paintball to get it of the ground,
I am sorry for going on so much i will go now.

CYA ALL.

 

[SPARKLIE CHICK]

Guys I am here too

And have been busy even if you have not seen the evidence

It's not happening untill next year for starters WE ( clive at temple piper and Me) all have too many commitments but I am not letting this slip and not happen.

Piper Knows I am leading him along the fragrant waft of chicken and mushroom PIE it seams to grab his attention for some strange reason Clive is also keen and Being the woman I am I will nag and make it happen

Apart from anything else my young guns need a series to play next year lol

I am holding try out this month they are playing our tourneys this year, by the way you all missed a brilliant day.

So if nothing else site will have had a whole years worth of TLC (thought Labour creativeness) put into it and realy be worth writing home about.

I am still looking into other venues and I am aware and apreciate all the offers of help advise and suport. Big thank you there every one.

As phil said I am but one and feel free to encourage and nag the others involved any idears email me you all know were.

Peace love cookies and dam good tourneys

Sparklie

 

[Phil Warr]

Woods

There is still the interest in woodland events. Take all the previous mentioned series outside of the south east and you will see that all three (SW league, series 2002, and Midlands Masters) all have both woodland and concept legs. I will agree that the concept events pull in more teams, in general, but even the woodland events pull in 20+ teams. Isn't this enough to make a woodland event viable?
The other issue is do you have the site owners run the events. If you take bullies series 2002 and the Midlands Masters as examples they are run by people independant from the sites used. This has some major advantages, the most important being that the sites have to conform to a certain standard or they will not be used again in the series. (I have not included the SW League in this as I do not know whether each leg is run by the site or an independant person. Sorry guy's).
One thing is for sure, if enough teams showed an interest it would be hard to resist getting off the ground. So come guy's show us the interest is out there......

 

[supair]

Do you not think that it would be a better idea to have one national league than like 5 or 6 seperate series' happening across the country? There are enough venues with supair or hyperball facilities to make a nationwide series of events, one a month at first, all over the country, north midlands and south. Yes it will mean travelling more, but our team (b4 we split) were saying how it might be worth travelling down south to play tourneys rather than doing the same ones up here time after time, because of the different standard of play, and the generally better competition. If a national league was set up, there would be that many teams that you would play a massive variety of teams, which would increase the standard of British paintball in the long run.

Discuss.
Matt

 

[cjohns]

Support

Originally posted by Phil Warr
Just think guy's if the south east gets it's act together, next year your team could be UK Champions and it would be official.

I am sure we could get something going in the southeast. I know of at least, 8 or so teams that play in the general area. All we need know, is someone to step up to the plate and make it happen.

 

[Mark]

Woods

Originally posted by Phil Warr
There is still the interest in woodland events. Take all the previous mentioned series outside of the south east and you will see that all three (SW league, series 2002, and Midlands Masters) all have both woodland and concept legs. I will agree that the concept events pull in more teams, in general, but even the woodland events pull in 20+ teams. Isn't this enough to make a woodland event viable?
The other issue is do you have the site owners run the events. If you take bullies series 2002 and the Midlands Masters as examples they are run by people independant from the sites used. This has some major advantages, the most important being that the sites have to conform to a certain standard or they will not be used again in the series. (I have not included the SW League in this as I do not know whether each leg is run by the site or an independant person. Sorry guy's).
One thing is for sure, if enough teams showed an interest it would be hard to resist getting off the ground. So come guy's show us the interest is out there......

Can't be bothered to edit this post down but yes there are a good number of tournaments with woodland a major feature however they are not in the south east ...as they used to be, a balance of power shift isn't a problem as such but distances do make a difference and it is good to see teams from the farthest reaches travelling to these tournaments but they tend to be the exception rather than the rule. As to running tournaments independant from the site owner. I personally have done this in the very distant past with my previous team...(even got PGI coverage, pics and editorial...yes the reporter was actually there) but in recent years this has not been possible. The site owners were approached and the result was always the same either a flat no or a very very high figure placed on the site rental. It is of course possible that this is just a south eastern problem, but the income from a tournament is nothing compared to the income generated by first timers etc....Bullswood have been asked to run their tournament schedule through the summer but as was quite rightly pointed out the income from the summer months that the punters create make the running of a tournament during those times financial suicide. There is no quick fix for this problem other than as I said in a previous post as to supporting the tournaments that are available cos you can bet as soon as a new one turns up it will be attended and then all the oh this was wrong this was bad etc will suface on the forums. Ray Cain recently started his woodland series again and was well attended it went smoothly and most of the comments revolved around as to how it was great that tournament had returned....but even when it was last being run there was grumbles about how it wasn't this or that...get a life ALL tournaments are not created equal, all have different nuances, just get out and support them.

 

[Phil Warr]

Do you not think that it would be a better idea to have one national league than like 5 or 6 seperate series' happening across the country? There are enough venues with supair or hyperball facilities to make a nationwide series of events, one a month at first, all over the country, north midlands and south.

It would be a nice idea but don't you think this could alienate those teams who just cannot afford to travel as much as would be required to challenge effectively in the league.

The idea of a national final's with the top Pro/Am/Nov teams from each region battling it out to become national champions would mean that travelling was kept down to a minimum.

 

[markh]

Paintball needs a national league, if its to grow and become a recognised sport. We also need to encourage new players into this sport in the first place, so we dont end up with a few teams hammering everyone and people losing interest and dropping out.

The general population see paintball as a once a year woodland soliders game. Of the "punter" sites I have played at, only one had any advertising about the tournament aspect of paintball and that was hidden away on a wall. If this sport is to grow, then siteowners with an interest in tournament play, should try to promote the tournament side of the game, giving customers who have a taste for the game a way into the tournament side.In my experience what happens is punters play once, enjoy it then forgot about it until perhaps the next year, they dont realise you can play it every weekend at a higher level of fun.

I realise that for many site owners, paintball is just a business and way of earning a living, nothing wrong with that if course. So this leaves site owners who play tourney, or have an interest in tourney, to promote the tourney side of paintball to their customers. This doesnt have to be in your face, perhaps have some tourney posters up around the safes area, literature. That way we might get some new players into the sport, which means bigger games, more money for the tournament organisers, so perhaps better run tournies and more fun for us all.

 

[markh]