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bluelite

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Well, if I was going to smoke, I'd smoke Lucky Strikes cause those are for people who aren't messing around. Whenever we're on a break we hang out in this convenience store in the heart of the Baylor University campus. Almost every student who comes in buys a pack of cigarettes. I mean, no joke, it must be around 93-95 percent of the students smoke. And these are the supposedly cream of the crop intelligent youngsters who have been afforded every privilege and opportunity acting like morons. Of course it's their lives and God speed. Frankly, I don't blame anyone but the smokers. I grew up when the big companies weren't even curtailed in their advertising and both my grandfathers and my father smoked. To me, these were the coolest people on the planet and if they did it then it was cool. But I never started because it just didn't make any sense. If we were supposed to breathe smoke, the atmosphere would have a lot more in it. If you start smoking, smoke Lucky strikes and try not to breed. We need to cut down on the number of people with no common sense.:rolleyes:
 

Justin Owen

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I understand what you're saying...I mean with all the public awareness these days regarding the ills of smoking, it's hard to believe anyone with a vegetable's sense would still even think twice about lighting up. But the truth of it is that if you're not a smoker, haven't been a smoker, and/or aren't really, really aware of how the addiction works, it's hard to appreciate just what it does to a person's physiology.

Case in point: the very people you mention. The "educated." Now many of them, no doubt, are probably still driven by the illusion that smoking is in some way cool and that they won't fall victim to the effects of their decision...eventually. But many of them know better, and simply can't quit. If you want to take it a step further, I can use as an example many of MY fellow classmates, who are future physicians themselves and I can personally vouch for the brilliance possessed by many of them...and yes as absolutely moronic and ironic as it sounds, many of THEM smoke. They started before they knew better and when they felt the indestructibility of adolescence would never give way to the perils and inevitability of reality. Now they know it's stupid, they know it's gonna kill them, and they learn just like all the rest of us how bad it is and how to help people figure out how to quit. They just can't get it to work for themselves.

Understanding what I've just said without feeling a great sense of confusion can be difficult...unless (again) you really have an appreciation for what goes on with a person's body once they're addicted. Many people, once they start smoking, find that their capacity to function physically and mentally simply deteriorates unless they can get their fix. These people have the very worst physical addictions that, although different from the nasty illegal drugs that gain the spotlight and attention of law enforcement, work in the same general way. Withdrawal can be painful, is prolonged, and can all go away with a simple puff. It's like a furring trap...once you're in, every time you struggle, you get clamped a little tighter. Many, many people who know better but still do it fall into this group.

I get the impression, blue, that you don't really appreciate this based upon your response, and your reasoning isn't flawed, it's just missing important information. Now I also get the impression that you put far less blame on the cigarette companies than I do, which is more than fine and more than your God-given right to do...but let me hit you with an example...

What kind of 'gun do you shoot? I'll just draw something out of a hat, say a Shocktech Bushmaster for example. You love this 'gun, and it's been sold to you as the cream-of-the-crop, makes you look cool, and has no adverse side effects aside from draining your wallet. But let's say that six months from now, a study comes out that demonstrates with statistical significance that there's a link between using the Shocktech Bushmaster and the development of a rare, lethal kind of bone cancer. Let's say you call Shocktech about this new development and they assure you that it's all ludicrous, hogwash, and that they're in the process of developing studies of their own which demonstrate that there's NO association at all between your 'gun and this rare cancer. So you say "Great" and keep on keepin' on.

Now fast foward another six months. Researchers from Johns Hopkins, Duke, Harvard, and several other highly respected medical research foundations reveal the results of similar studies which show an undisputable statistical link between your 'gun and this new rare cancer. Once again, in response Shocktech adamantly denies it and fights the findings with their own "data." But low and behold, right in the thick of it all, there's a development...a former employee of Shocktech comes forward to claim that not only does Shocktech KNOW that there IS, in fact, a link between the Shocktech Bushmaster and this new rare cancer, but that they've known about it since the 'gun was in its development stage and they simply suppressed the evidence.

A month after this incredible series of events, you return from a doctor's visit where you've just been told you have developed this new type of bone cancer. Interestingly, the prevalence of this cancer is 99.9% restricted to users of the Shocktech Bushmaster.

What is there to say?

Naturally, the Shocktech Bushmaster does not cause cancer. But you get my point.

~Justin Owen~

PS...no disrespect meant in any part of this message...I hope it doesn't come across the wrong way; naturally, I just feel really strongly against them (the companies) and can't help but voice my objections.
 

bluelite

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Justin, no disrespect taken. I see your point about people who were duped before the health info was so widely disseminated. As for youngsters, what can I say; smoking is cool. It isn't healthy, but it is cool. Hell, as moronic as I think it is, I still think it looks cool. But I don't do a ton of stuff that I think is cool cause cool and good for you aren't the same thing sometimes. I don't shop at Old Navy and I am not going to smoke, m'kay! While I am not as passionate about this issue as you are that is more a problem with my utter lack of empathy for my fellow man than any over-exuberance on your part. As far as addictions go, the only thing that I've given up that I felt was unhealthy has been caffeinated soda waters. As of 01-01-2003, I gave them up and have been mostly caffeine free this year. I have slipped, but not much. Diet Sprite rules. Just this small change has allowed me to lose 16 pounds so far this year. I had heard caffeine was hard to give up and you get headaches and what-not but that did not occur with me. I do understand addiction though. I talk and work with addicts all the time as a police officer. Sadly, many of the addicts I deal with will get little to no help. Even if we could give them free counselling they do not have the support structure in place to sustain whatever will-power they muster up in counseling and so will most likely start to fail as soon as they leave the counselors office. We could cut down on a lot of the problems in our society if we would take the time to stop allowing people who cannot support themselves to bring more people into the world. You know what's sadder than a crack addict. A crack addicts baby. That child has no shot. It's not fair or realistic to expect them to turn out to be anything short of a drain on society and we should stop allowing them to suffer. I feel just as strongly about this as you do about Big-Tobacco. If I stop a hood rat and he's wanted on traffic, alot of the times if he has a condom in his pocket I'll let it slide. At least he's doing one responsible thing so I encourage that. Every time I make an arrest for drugs and find out the person has a child, I make sure to point out all the money he or she is wasting that could be used for their child. I also point out that they are failing as a parent and I will be arresting their child before I retire. I try to make them see what a waste some things are and what is important. Education is not enough; Immersion would be better. We both have our passions and I don't take anything someone says intelligently as disrespectful if I don't agree with it. Everyone is allowed their point of view and I can respect yours.
I have a Shocktech bushmaster coming in the mail, so either you have paid attention to my other posts or you are seriously in tune with the universe at this moment. I'll just have to take my chances for the cancer cause this gun is supposed to rock.;)
 

Justin Owen

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Blue...

I like what you've said and I think you're dead on the money. What you say about crack (and could apply to many more things as well) is absolutely 100% correct and I couldn't agree more. I also think your attitude and willingness to positively reinforce even slight acts of responsibility from these folks is exemplary conduct and attitude...kudos. I do believe it makes a difference.

For me, smoking is by no means that sole problem but is without question (in my mind) the biggest...looking at everything, sometimes disconnectedly (is that a word?), to try to see everything it impacts.

I think it's a shame, although quite true as you pointed out, that many still see smoking as "cool"; it's a position I've never been able to get my mind around probably just because my stance on the issue is so deeply trenched. The whole act of smoking is so illogical and ultimately detrimental to one's self...I remember being a kid and thinking that anyone who did it simply must be nothing short of stupid in the most basic of ways. Then I came to understand some of what happens and then came to learn a great deal about the history of the issue in detail, which (as you can guess) made me sick.

They say youth is wasted on the young, and the smoking issue is perhaps one of the best examples of this...the feelings of indestructibility coupled with a need for acceptance and a desire to rebel against the established norms and rules set by others; combined with the certainty that whatever might happen, it'll bypass "me" and pick on someone else..."I'll be able to stop when I want to"...and the inability for so many youngsters to fathom that one day they'll be 25 or 35 or 45 and might actually end up regretting some of the things they're doing "now". I try to remind myself that these people who've allowed themselves to fall victim to the snare of cigarettes, the vast majority of them did so in this period of their lives. And though I at times feel very much like you describe, angry at them for making me hurt for them and frustrated with them for engaging in something so ridiculously and moronically unintelligent...I too played my fair share of russian roulette, so to speak, when I was that age. So in a sense, sometimes I feel like the only difference between these people and myself is that I was literally lucky enough to leave that period in my life with no addictions and no cancers to eat me alive. It's hard for me to blame them for the stupidity that we all know that comes with growing up.

But blah-blah-blah. Congrats on your own successes. You're lucky you didn't get any headaches leaving caffeine...I'm currently working on tapering off of the coffee that's been keeping me awake in the wee night hours as of late. Cutting back cold turkey left me with some serious head-splitters.
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Take care my friend and God bless for the work you do.

~J~

PS...I'm ALWAYS in tune with the universe.
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Syd (NSPL)

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Ho humm... seriously though, looks like you've got some good material for your homework there.

AND they're all right - don't start smoking. It will hurt your pocket, health and well being where it really hurts.
 

dirtydenn

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1 What you smoke_golden virginia rool ups
2 Why you smoke_can't damn well stop now'it'd be like quitting
3 How long you have smoked_since age 13 (16 years)
4 Have you ever tried to give up- oh a few times
5 How many packs you smoke a week_ 1x25g pouch
6 How much you spend a week on cigarette_ £6