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Giles

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You know I don’t even know where to start its Monday night and I am absolutely knackered, so many things to say about the whole event
For those who have asked, I will go through each game so as to avoid confusion about how we got to 1-2 play off

First off and they know it already the whole team were great. Big squad for some hot weather
Pete Phouli, Chris Edwards, Neil Campbell, Colby Keats, Al France, Chris Schooling, Clint Moore, Kyle Milton, Billy Smith and of course Russ Steele :)

We started the event very poorly on the Thursday, mostly because of driving round for hours on end getting lost and multiple flights bringing the squad together for walking the field
CPL field, well lets say it wasn't my favourite field of the events so far, more about the field later

The event itself in my opinion is a step back and not forwards by any stretch of the imagination, right in the middle of an industrial region way outside the city centre and a nightmare to navigate, and a very strange sewer smell when you left the site

For those of you that know me will know I live in Spain and love the place, its part of Spanish culture to have football and small stadiums, in almost every village/town/municipal you go to throughout the country

The way it was positioned away from the main stadium and on what can only be described as rough ground a bit like Campaign from the 1990's
Very dangerous and unlike Campaign where it usually rained, it was like playing on concrete and spectators had to put up with dirt and dust
The netting looked like it was second hand and poorly constructed, an unusual amount of paint came over, under and through the netting
I have no idea what the other fields were like as I only got the chance to look at 1 other field to watch a team play
The grandstand well, more akin to benches at my son's school sports day at infant school
Sod moaning about the event so much down to the nitty gritty, I understand that it had been down to being let down at the last minute and we were there to play and give the maximum we could to represent ourselves and supporters


The field
The snake side was massively dominant and the bag side was just the bag side
The comment made at the start of the season, was to have the field so the game could twisted. For example a team could gain an advantage and push the snake heavily, if the opposing team pushed the bag side heavily this would create a very crowd pleasing format. With most of the cross field shots cut out by the X some very intense play

Friday Game 1 Tigers
The scoreline as it stood looked very biased to us having an easy game, honestly it was not. Tigers to there credit put up a very strong challenge and it was a hard fought out contest
We got to have a look at the field early on and I was looking at a field that needed me to give it a whole lot more of our attention

Saturday Game 2 Ducks
Alot of speculation with this game as you may or not know that we have one brother Colby Keats with Shock and the other Sam Keats with Ducks
So much had been flying around about this epic battle and only one survivor left standing, gamesmanship more like and it backfired
This game was more than just that though, it was our first meeting at an event to date and with most games it starts 5 on 5 and the "team won this match". Some interesting decisions from the Ducks for whom to play on the field pretty much sealed their fate of not making the Sunday club.
I still was not happy with the way we were playing the field though, and it was bothering me

Saturday Game 3 Yoy Division
Compounded my thoughts about the field and the way we were playing it
Lost out 5-1 and we had lots of work to do as we had pulled Excessive in the next round as they were winners of Division 1
On this note I had the chance to watch XSV play and quickly saw their game plan
So after an early start to the day we had to walk the fields again and change our tactics for Sunday

Sunday Game 4 play off XSV
I won't bore you with the details of the crowd trouble in this game, but a huge thank you to, Nexus, Tigers, Ducks, Kane and Dave Stewart and all the other supporters, there were many, for dealing with the spectator problem
Very tight game, mirrored breakout and not our usual style of play, but you play the field and that’s exactly what we did, complete team game
First game was intense it went down to a 1 on 1 with Neil Campbell and XSV player Dave Williamson in the back corner. Neil was quickly up the field aggressively into the 50 on the bag side, eventually Dave made a move up the the snake and Neil edged closer the XSV base
Dave wisely not entering into a foot race made his way back to his original back corner stand up bunker. There was the mistake, giving Neil the opportunity to work his way blindly right into the XSV centre can....right on top of the breakout start point and more importantly on top of the buzzer
Now out of paint Neil coolly stepped across and pushed the buzzer, Shock 1 XSV 0 and a huge amount of time swallowed up
2nd game I cant even remember, I was still buzzing from the first but I know we won Shock 2 XSV 0 and we were now starting to control the game and more importantly the field
Game 3 went to XSV
Game 4 well again we had lost heavily during the game it was 4 XSV and 2 Shock, Neil in his back corner and Clint in the other. It all happened very quickly XSV made the moves up the field. Clint tagged the Snake player, and quickly crossed to centre for a great shot on the centre X, then he gets clipped from the bag side....Takes us to a 2 on 1 situation, Neil on the other side is battling with his tape player and a centre player, Neil tags the tape player and as the centre player moves in for the kill Neil wraps and shoots him clean on the hand and arm, with the exchange Neil also takes a shot....
The XSV player moves to press the buzzer only for the ref to pull the player and 0 the game no points scored there
We now enter the longest 2ish minutes of the whole event and its standing Shock 2 XSV 1. Yep its 2 minutes left of game time, again we play the field and play the lane shooting, mirroring XSV and relying on our skill and gun(DM6) in case you didn't know :D we play the game out to a draw and take the spoils
Real character and determination showed there from this team, taking themselves out of their style of play to win the point and progress to the next round

Have I said how hot it was yet, Madrid in the summer...damn it’s hot

Sunday Game 5 Vision
A great bunch of players who are working hard and learning quickly
This ones down to stretching the legs and taking out the frustration of being forced into a negative style of play from the last round against XSV
Lots of lanes lots of quick bumps and wham the boys really turn on the style
Plays coming all over the field and we get our first chance this year to play for 1st and 2nd place

Sunday Game 6 Joy boys again
We were up for this and the crowds you did us proud, at this stage of a tournament you are running on instinct really and without your support to lift us for every game
Joy ran out winners by a margin and it hurt mentally but we have shown our strength and it has made us more resolute to come back and we will have our day Magued not just with that coin ;)

Whats left to say

Great job refs you turned it on again when needed and boy in that heat and with that field you needed at least 6 more refs and double pay

Thanks to all our sponsors, Jeff at Dye for the fantastic DM6 the best gun on the market, Goggles and playing gear head to toe quality and superb, Casual gear for making us look cool
Andy Piper PMI for the paint, Marb with evil fill perfect, air tanks and regs
Russ Steel at Bristol outdoor pursuits, training facility and life long sponsor of Shockwave
Sloth for the pots, Jackie Sosta for the loaders, OPSL, Clarity, Computacentre and Repton

Finally to everyone that supported us and thanked us for the entertainment

Mr Robinson please accept my apologies for my grammar. Again it will have not been to a standard that I would have liked, I should have spent more time listening in those English lessons but its 11-30 now and I am going to sleep


Hasta LLuego y buenos noches
 

AL_

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Bolter said:
Please bore us with the crowd trouble details :)

Well played Shockwave! Great result!
Basiclly... Alot of fans stood 2/3 people deep at our end of the field and wouldnt allow us a fair chance at even seeing the game never mind coaching. Add to this alot of noise, whistling, singing and phrases such as "Snake" "Go Clint, now" "Bump" "M" "G4" "Mugger" "Go Go Go"... you see the dilema.
 

Giles

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here you go Bolter

Bolter said:
Please bore us with the crowd trouble details :)

Well played Shockwave! Great result!

Hi Bolter

Go on then as you asked so nicely :D


The crowd trouble started in the XSV game and ended in the XSV game

Let me paint this picture for you

Well I went over to the tape/snake side to coach in this game, the spectator side had a 5mm rope separating us from the netting held up by badly staked wooden poles at about 10 metre distances, this was being marshalled by one of the onsite staff.
He didn’t like it if you touched the rope and if you walked into it then you got some very stern warnings about being banned from the event and pushed in the chest to move back (in your face stuff really).
As I walked past the XSV end there were about 20 Portuguese spectators getting ready for there teams assault in the match
When I got to Shocks end I had another 20 spectators right on the rope line, on having a sneaky look at playing tops and listening to conversation it was obvious they were Portuguese as well
I thought a little and then asked the question "In the need for sportsmanship would you please spectate at the XSV end of the field please"
To answer all this quickly the answer was no we are here to counter coach its part of the game deal with it
So off we went and my god they started with making 2 little midget girls follow me wherever I went wolf whistling constantly in the back of my head
Now everyone that knows me I aint the tallest bloke going but they just about came up to my nipple
The other 15-20 blokes made it their job not to let me stand near the rope and make as much noise as possible so players could not be coached by voice
I asked any players I knew if they could help and lots came to my aid fortunately, Tigers, Nexus, Ducks and Dave "BLOOD" Stewart
It calmed down a little with the big mans presence and all the teams there
So after 3 points and my ears still ringing from the onslaught I moved up the other end to try and coach
With that I was met with all the 30 or so spectators that were not gonna let me get near that rope at all, scuffles started with spectators jostling for positions, the Rope ref was having a **** fit trying to get everyone off his rope
Off we went again with all the noise, eventually the UK contingent forced a gap for me to watch and try to coach for what it was worth
Thankfully my team was aware of all this **** going down and just played there game
I don’t think there is any need for that type of intimidation and disrespect to fellow players
I know there is sometimes going to be the odd idiot that see it reasonable to try and ruin another teams chance by counter coaching but not letting a coach near the rope, and being able to plan in advance sending people out to follow him along the sidelines whistling constantly is outrageous
Well we went on to win anyway and that’s it, Germany Bitburg had it covered by having a separated coach area that would have helped but the space wasn’t available in Madrid, it would have left about 6 inches for a main thoroughfare…

Thanks for the congrats as well, its very much appreciated
 

Domingos Leitão

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Jun 7, 2006
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Hi all

Just registered to tell you guys a bit of the "crowd problems" in Madrid...and in other venues of the MS this year.

I am laughing for a few minutes when i read something like it started in XSV game and ended there...

Saturday against Oslo Menace, we tried to coach XSV but we did not have the chance, because we had several nordic guys countercoaching.... but i bet noone noticed that.....and i bet this doesnt qualify as "crowd problems".

In Bitburg we had real crowd problems, in a game between Frankfurt Syndicate and a french team. The germans had some toys that made such a noise that prevented any coaching. The french didn´t like it and threw empty and full beer cans on the german, but this might not be a crowd problem.

Back to madrid, XSV against Schockwave, the shock supporters on sunday morning didn´t let us coach just like the nordic in the day before, then we thought ok if we can´t fight them lets join them, and we started singing....in both sides of the field, if we cant coach then they wont either... seems fair to me....

But i understand you, since it was a bunch of portuguese guys and midget girls, its a crowd problem....

Lets see in Paris if it is just the Portuguese that will counter coach ;) i invite you all to see all the games and specially since we are in france, lest see what will happen when the french teams play, one may got wondered :)

Congratulations to Schockwave, they did very well in Madrid, but the portuguese XSV have made a suberb campaign this year. From division 2 right up to CPL and not embarassing our little country.

Regards and see you in Paris.

Domingos
 

Domingos Leitão

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Jun 7, 2006
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just forgot one thing more....

seconds after the loss, and of course we were sad that they lost, we carried on singing "Potugal Allez...." and that says all about us ;)

If we wanted crowd problems we surely wouldnt be singging, cheering our friends inside the field, were they lost a tough battle...

But i guess we must be wrong and the others not :)

Regards

Dom
 

MrG

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Correct, you are wrong...

If you had bothered to follow the comments following on from Germany you would have seen some VERY heated debate re counter coaching, especially from Robbo. The German crowd were totally in the wrong.

Having watched most of the CPL games i can say that the behaviour of the XSV fans was shocking and unsportsmanlike. No other team gathered an army at both ends to intimidate the coaches and pass false calls on to the players to the extent they did.

If you can't win fair, get out the game...

Nuff said.
 

Domingos Leitão

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u missed the point

the portuguese never started with the unsportsmanship you talk about.

the other supporters started sabotaging our communication and when we finally found out that nothing could be done we started singing...

Regards

Dom