Whilst i would love to take credit for the idea, Chuck, Camille and the NPPL had the idea, and its a great one!
sensible idea for id cards
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How are we going to pay for 8 laptops, a swipe system which can read barcodes, people to actually swipe them at the fields etc. if we give next year's cards for free??
How will you update the database from the main swipe computer to the laptops at the fields? Who will be maintaining the quality of that database??
The problem with enforcing rules is that we have marshal teams that consist out of teams/players and they just don't do it...
sure some of you do, but a lot of the problems we have had are due to us making rules and the marshal teams ignoring them.
Did you not have your ID-card checked when entering the field? Remember what marshall team was there!
Well at least we've learned these things and we will TRY to take care of that next season again. To professionalize these things, we need competent people and unfortunately: no one works for free.
So we can't give ID-cards for free next season and we won't have a swipe system...even though it might be on our wish list as well for next season!
How will you update the database from the main swipe computer to the laptops at the fields? Who will be maintaining the quality of that database??
The problem with enforcing rules is that we have marshal teams that consist out of teams/players and they just don't do it...
sure some of you do, but a lot of the problems we have had are due to us making rules and the marshal teams ignoring them.
Did you not have your ID-card checked when entering the field? Remember what marshall team was there!
Well at least we've learned these things and we will TRY to take care of that next season again. To professionalize these things, we need competent people and unfortunately: no one works for free.
So we can't give ID-cards for free next season and we won't have a swipe system...even though it might be on our wish list as well for next season!
Karlijn;
from our experince at Campaign Cup, i would recomend that you don't make the marshalls responsible for Players cards. In fact the only thing the marshalls should really be focusing on is the actual game.
Instead we employed a person to check player IDs, and wrangle the players into the chrono area. We then had a second seperate Chrono Judge, who only did chrono and armbands.
The Chrono Judge even in some cases did the flip coin for sides. As soon as the judges shout game over, the next teams are sent strait onto the field, and strait to their relative start gates. The turn around could be less than 2 minutes!
As for checking Player IDs, the system could be done with a Palm Pilot system, and a barcode reader which is relativly cheap (compared to Laptops). But at the end of the day you still have to check the player's face against the pic on the card, so there's no real point in having a scanning system as there is no real benifit.
I don't know if it is public knowledge of what the money generated by the ID cards is used for, Karlijn, if it is, maybe you could explain who's wages it covers.
Just a quick word for all players who complain about paying for a players card;
This isn't some back woods paintball tournament you're attending, this is a world wide series. When you are playing tournaments of this calibre the series needs to regulate players. The millennium series is committed to making the team rosters fair, being able to ban cheating players, and making the players areas more secure. To do this, we need a system of idenitifying players. Having a players card is the only way we can achieve this.
If you don't care about banned players playing, players switching rosters and playing when they shouldn't or random people walking around the players area eyeing up your guns, then by all means complain away. Anyone with any common sense can see that the players cards are a good idea.
Now if the promoters don't take advantage of the players cards, and use them to enforce the rules and security, well that's another issue, and one that Karlijn and Beard will undoubtdly be working hard to resolve.
from our experince at Campaign Cup, i would recomend that you don't make the marshalls responsible for Players cards. In fact the only thing the marshalls should really be focusing on is the actual game.
Instead we employed a person to check player IDs, and wrangle the players into the chrono area. We then had a second seperate Chrono Judge, who only did chrono and armbands.
The Chrono Judge even in some cases did the flip coin for sides. As soon as the judges shout game over, the next teams are sent strait onto the field, and strait to their relative start gates. The turn around could be less than 2 minutes!
As for checking Player IDs, the system could be done with a Palm Pilot system, and a barcode reader which is relativly cheap (compared to Laptops). But at the end of the day you still have to check the player's face against the pic on the card, so there's no real point in having a scanning system as there is no real benifit.
I don't know if it is public knowledge of what the money generated by the ID cards is used for, Karlijn, if it is, maybe you could explain who's wages it covers.
Just a quick word for all players who complain about paying for a players card;
This isn't some back woods paintball tournament you're attending, this is a world wide series. When you are playing tournaments of this calibre the series needs to regulate players. The millennium series is committed to making the team rosters fair, being able to ban cheating players, and making the players areas more secure. To do this, we need a system of idenitifying players. Having a players card is the only way we can achieve this.
If you don't care about banned players playing, players switching rosters and playing when they shouldn't or random people walking around the players area eyeing up your guns, then by all means complain away. Anyone with any common sense can see that the players cards are a good idea.
Now if the promoters don't take advantage of the players cards, and use them to enforce the rules and security, well that's another issue, and one that Karlijn and Beard will undoubtdly be working hard to resolve.
people have been wondering for the last 2 years what the card money goes towards. if not make them free then make them last 1 year (like NPPL)not 1 season
wifi, bluetooth, wireless network. surely the database should be run by the MS as i gives them info on who is playing and where
have MS employees on each field as well to make sure all the jobs are done properly (ie get them to check the id)
lisbon (player), germany (player) and as a press photographer at campaign. the only definate time the id was check was at germany and london going into the players area
spend money to make money - if a strong set up is there more people may play as there will be less to complain about (loss of gear, sandbaggings, illegal guesting, etc)
Colin: at Campaign the players were not always checked when entering the field even though you hired people to do so.
In order to spend money you need to make money first! Got no money to spend!
The money from the ID-cards pays for the AIR, some staff, but it isn't enough. The Millennium Series is still not breaking even.
We're trying to get there, but we need big sponsorships!
Money is always going to be an issue, and we still haven't got enough...
In order to spend money you need to make money first! Got no money to spend!
The money from the ID-cards pays for the AIR, some staff, but it isn't enough. The Millennium Series is still not breaking even.
We're trying to get there, but we need big sponsorships!
Money is always going to be an issue, and we still haven't got enough...
Yeah we had issues on the back fields because some of the refs didn't want us to help them.
I had guys stationed on the Tomahawk field, the X-ball field, and the main two fields, and they definatly checked all the players cards. Next year we intend to have even more staff, so the transition between games will be super smooth. We're constantly improving the way we do things, but we all have room to improve.
There have to be two simple rules, no one gets in to the players area without showing their players card (or visistors pass) and no one gets to Chrono their gun unless they idenitfy themselves first by showing their card and their face. If we do not enforce these rules, then there's no point in having players cards. Any promoter who fails on these two criteria should be penalised!
But it's really easy for the promoters and the staff to get drawn away and do their job. We have to be diligent about checking players!
It's not made any easier when players get mouthy with you when you ask to see thier card.
I think what a lot of people don't realise is that some of the money for the event comes from the Promoters, and some of it comes from the Millennium Series organiastion it's self, which only generates revinue via the Players ID cards.
I had guys stationed on the Tomahawk field, the X-ball field, and the main two fields, and they definatly checked all the players cards. Next year we intend to have even more staff, so the transition between games will be super smooth. We're constantly improving the way we do things, but we all have room to improve.
There have to be two simple rules, no one gets in to the players area without showing their players card (or visistors pass) and no one gets to Chrono their gun unless they idenitfy themselves first by showing their card and their face. If we do not enforce these rules, then there's no point in having players cards. Any promoter who fails on these two criteria should be penalised!
But it's really easy for the promoters and the staff to get drawn away and do their job. We have to be diligent about checking players!
It's not made any easier when players get mouthy with you when you ask to see thier card.
I think what a lot of people don't realise is that some of the money for the event comes from the Promoters, and some of it comes from the Millennium Series organiastion it's self, which only generates revinue via the Players ID cards.
They were on our field!
Nobody came onto our field without their ID card, and it made no difference who they were.
MOST of the fields checked our IDs at Campaign. The even had us pull our masks up to compare with the pictures.Originally posted by sjt19
They were on our field!
Nobody came onto our field without their ID card, and it made no difference who they were.
Some fields even checked for too much clothing and took samples of our paintballs.
I like it when things are done right!
Steve