Self marshaling..an idea!

[garycarrot]

Instead of the currant format for self marshaling.
how about each team that enters a tourny, has to provide one marshal?
This would have ment that at the last 2k2 event we would have had 48! and then the field ultimite..

Just an idea......any thoughts?????
you could rotate your guy, so everyone gets a game, and everyone gets the practice at being a ref.??

 

[Wadidiz]

You might have something here. I hosted a small 10-player tournament here in Stockholm some years ago and we did just that. It worked just fine. It would require some thinking through but might work if each field, perhaps, had an experienced, well-trained head marshall to maintain the standards. And the tournament should of course begin with a crash-course in judging and enforcing the rules consistently.

Let's think that through about how that would work on a medium-sized to large-scale tourney and come back with some comments.

Food for thought, Mr Carrot!

PS. The money to pay the refs could go to lower entry fees, better prizes, better pay to the head judges or all of the above.

 

[Red_Merkin]

that's a great idea, anyone running local tourneys should take note.

 

[Bully]

Good Idea

I think you have a good idea here, my only concern would be that several teams have a problem fielding the correct number of players - turning up short at the event. As you know at the last event about 5 teams turned up short of players and this was a 5 man, if they are short then the extra player to marshal would not happen leaving the event possibly short of marshals.

Also whilst the current system is not perfect I have experienced a similiar system years ago and teams involved then supplied "muppets" and this made it worse.

It is an idea worth considering and maybe trial it at the Jan event,

Cheers

Steve

 

[Collier]

Not a bad ideaa, what happens if your team can't provide a marshall though???

Paul.

 

[Wadidiz]

I've thought about this a little more and it could possibly work but may not be better than the current player-judging system.

Let's take Campaign as an example:

According to my info there were 19 pro, 35 am and 80 nov teams, for a total of 134 teams. And 7 fields x 8 judges would mean a need of 56 judges per day. Each field should have its own field marshall so the need for team-refs would be 49. There would only be a need to draw one ref from each of the pro and am teams, 49 for the fields and the remaining 5 for chronographing, putting on armbands and working as runners.

The problems are:

how to enforce this on the teams - as someone asked already
how do we ensure that a quality ref is "donated" to the cause
what about the teams that try but can't get that seventh body

The quality issue could be partially addressed by an evening-before reffing seminar, but that doesn't prove the quality of the judges.

Naw, I think it's better with the system we have now: a combination of judging for points and paid, quality refs. The important thing, no matter what, is to push training, tough head-field-judges, pre-tourney briefings, consistency in enforcement, constant supervision by the ultimate and tougher rules on cheating, IMO.

Self-judging might work on smaller scale tournaments, however.

Another idea, however, is to be open to the possibilty of a mix of all three. Full teams judging an entire event for points, pro refs who are paid and whatever teams that want arranging with the promotor to contribute a warm body in exchange for a reduced entry fee. Or something like that.

 

[garycarrot]

I am suggesting we start this at grass root level.e.g. M/M and series 2k events.
If each team had to registar the players, and all are ukpsf then you can track who refs each event.
The idea is everyone on each team becomes a better ref. The field ultimate supervises the refs. checking that they are not "muppets" and give a certificate of compatance to each guy.

We would then end up with a large number of trained/experianced refs. who could be used by the bigger events.
With pay and expenses, who wouldnt want to go to the world cup.(Not everyone can go and play!)

As for the problem about teams not having enough players. How about a penalty system?. If you book into an event with a squad of 8 players(inc 1 to Marshall) and then turn up short, make full teams from the other teams who let you down, and remove the correct number of marshalls? thus you still can make it work, and the incentive is put on the team to bring enough players.
You could still use the current marshalls, but to train the new guys faster. And with more guys on the field, less problems!

 

[garycarrot]

And..

How do i registar a patent????

 

[Ralph]

Been there tried that and it dont work.
As bully said teams normally drag some poor unfortunate who was in a coma the night before and would have trouble marshaling punters let alone players with a modicom of gamesmanship.

As for marshaling millenium events like this, well this beggars belief. Are you seriusly suggesting that a set of judges on a field possibly from seven different countries could communicate with eachother? They can only talk fluent pissed at the best of times and that's well after a days play has ended.

What would be even harder, would be to tell the teams from USA to bring some poor mug to stand about for 2-3 days. I can just see Chuck, Bob long,Lasoya Rab and co all volunteering.

 

[Phil Warr]

Self Marshalling

Personally I am not a fan of self marshalling, mainly for the reasons that have already been highlighted.
Through running the MM we have found that there are several teams out there who are all for marshalling an event as a team, the money helps with the expense of playing other events and you would be suprised how much marshalling can help your game.
What is needed is for more teams like this coming forward and offering their teams to marshal the various events in the UK. If you only play the MM then speak to Bully about marshalling the Series 2003 or vice versa. If you don't know how to contact other organisers and you play the MM and want to marshal come and speak to us and we will put you in touch with Bully, Chris, Sparklie or any other organiser who wants marshal's and I sure these other organisers will do like wise.
Go on give it a go and you may even enjoy yourself.