i've bought this up with blakey a few times in conversation and we've had a few ideas. unfortuanatly they won't be seen till next year if ever. anyway we are looking into it ,guys don't think the MM aren't listening to you 
Security at tournaments.
- Thread starter JoseDominguez
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you know some times teams get a buy and sit out a game, well instead of them sitting on thier arses somewhere, provide chairs at the enterance to the staging areas and get them to sit there. Problem solved.
The locking team bags together is a great idea until somebody wants something out of thier bag or as always happens the keyholder loses the key. Then theres the problem when this guy turns up.
The locking team bags together is a great idea until somebody wants something out of thier bag or as always happens the keyholder loses the key. Then theres the problem when this guy turns up.
Oh well!
I guess if that's the route you want to go down fine.
But:
If something does go missing- who does it come down to?
You may not know at what point it went, and so then several people have "shared" the responsibility and again everyone is a suspect.
If the person at the door is constantly changing there is no continuity and there is room for error.
How many people on here in the heat of a game can "trust" what was seen by the Judges?
Taking turns will keep out anyone who should not be there, but if anyone is determined to steal it can't be stopped.
As I said previously, the kit that was stolen was not during the event as far as I'm aware. It was opportunist. If there was a pile of kit bags chained together (could be a combination lock those of you who lose keys) or to something it would not be so easy to just walk off with. I ment lock them together as a unit not so noone could get thier stuff out!
THe opportunist thief does not normally want to bother going through all the bags- but just walking off with one is dead easy.
They didn't want most of the contents as these were subsequently discarded, but kept what was of interest or "value" to them.
If you all have the answers already, I'll but out- just trying to help as I do have some experience of this sort of thing.
I guess if that's the route you want to go down fine.
But:
If something does go missing- who does it come down to?
You may not know at what point it went, and so then several people have "shared" the responsibility and again everyone is a suspect.
If the person at the door is constantly changing there is no continuity and there is room for error.
How many people on here in the heat of a game can "trust" what was seen by the Judges?
Taking turns will keep out anyone who should not be there, but if anyone is determined to steal it can't be stopped.
As I said previously, the kit that was stolen was not during the event as far as I'm aware. It was opportunist. If there was a pile of kit bags chained together (could be a combination lock those of you who lose keys) or to something it would not be so easy to just walk off with. I ment lock them together as a unit not so noone could get thier stuff out!
THe opportunist thief does not normally want to bother going through all the bags- but just walking off with one is dead easy.
They didn't want most of the contents as these were subsequently discarded, but kept what was of interest or "value" to them.
If you all have the answers already, I'll but out- just trying to help as I do have some experience of this sort of thing.
i would listen to this man here, agent smith (cam) does event security for a living! so is quite a wise man in this area, so he probably has the best ideas of whats best for the sport security wise.
we cant carry on being so trusting at events, i often leave my gun with a few others while i watch games, it could easily be nicked - like colins tools were nearly (but we caught the thieving f***ers).
i cant understand the type of people who do this sort of thing, they deserve to be shot in my opinion.
but what i can say is people like that are all around, so can we trust every 'baller???....from what ive witnessed i would say yes, you all seem to be decent people, but it only takes one..............
we cant carry on being so trusting at events, i often leave my gun with a few others while i watch games, it could easily be nicked - like colins tools were nearly (but we caught the thieving f***ers).
i cant understand the type of people who do this sort of thing, they deserve to be shot in my opinion.
but what i can say is people like that are all around, so can we trust every 'baller???....from what ive witnessed i would say yes, you all seem to be decent people, but it only takes one..............
I am very paranoid about my gear, so usually what I'll do if I'm playing red is just take what I'll need for that day. Sometimes I will bring my extra stuff, but I'll leave it in the car and take my necessary stuff out to the staging area. If my marker goes down or something I can always go the car and get my other, but in the mean time it's relatively safe so that makes me feel secure. Almost every field here has a parking lot right near the fields so usually staging out of the car isn't too much of a problem either. In fact, at most tournaments that is the norm. These aren't really permanent solutions to the problem, but for smaller events it would work perfectly well and keep your things safe (and they would most likely be covered by car insurance if something did happen).
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Here's an idea:
Watch your ****, or lock it up. At best, you'll still have to trust all 100->1000 players with legit access to the players area, and that's hardly "secure" no matter what.
I think a cheaper, more effective solution is probably to either place lockable bins in each tent (rugged plastic, but require teams to bring their own locks) or rent them out to teams who want them. If you need to leave your stuff unattended, throw it in the bin and lock it.
Someone trying to walk out of the staging area with a locked bin outta be pretty conspicuous.
- Chris
Watch your ****, or lock it up. At best, you'll still have to trust all 100->1000 players with legit access to the players area, and that's hardly "secure" no matter what.
I think a cheaper, more effective solution is probably to either place lockable bins in each tent (rugged plastic, but require teams to bring their own locks) or rent them out to teams who want them. If you need to leave your stuff unattended, throw it in the bin and lock it.
Someone trying to walk out of the staging area with a locked bin outta be pretty conspicuous.
- Chris
the staging area needs to be secure, we don't have time to secure stuff every five minutes, you just can't do it..........these are opportunist thefts.....if the public have no access then opportunistic theft becomes very rare........yes maybe there are some dishonest ballers.........but to nick something you also have to get it past your team without getting spotted, and how often were things going missing when there was no-one but us at tourneys?
Stuff went at STB, stuff went last week..........it's a growing problem.........remember s****horpe last year? we were up in arms over a mask, a mobile and some small marker parts (impy bolt etc).......... that seemed terrible at the time...but a year later entire sets of kit are going missing.
Having player security won't stop it completely, but if it stops 75% of theft it'll be worth doing won't it? it's the only option unless we hire in a private firm........ who's going to pay for that?
once again, look to the PA.they managed, so if you want an expert on paintball event security.........contact the PA.
In a 30 team event, each team only needs to provide a single man hour, this will provide 3 "staff" on the entrance and a floater at all times (the floater can fill in for toilet breaks......fetch late "doormen" etc....) it's workable. Make sure each player on duty is from a different team and wears a bright yellow security vest. One way entrance/ exit system to cut down on congestion.... we can do this.
Any alternatives? post away........but we need something.
Stuff went at STB, stuff went last week..........it's a growing problem.........remember s****horpe last year? we were up in arms over a mask, a mobile and some small marker parts (impy bolt etc).......... that seemed terrible at the time...but a year later entire sets of kit are going missing.
Having player security won't stop it completely, but if it stops 75% of theft it'll be worth doing won't it? it's the only option unless we hire in a private firm........ who's going to pay for that?
once again, look to the PA.they managed, so if you want an expert on paintball event security.........contact the PA.
In a 30 team event, each team only needs to provide a single man hour, this will provide 3 "staff" on the entrance and a floater at all times (the floater can fill in for toilet breaks......fetch late "doormen" etc....) it's workable. Make sure each player on duty is from a different team and wears a bright yellow security vest. One way entrance/ exit system to cut down on congestion.... we can do this.
Any alternatives? post away........but we need something.
There we go- most of it is common sense.
Promotors can contact the PA if they want any advise.
As I have already said (as have others) taking turns on the gate/
entrance will keep out those who shouldn't have access. This should stop 99% of theft.
Having checked the other thread on reading, it seems that the kit bag went when everyone was asleep, so this requires a different approach.
If anyone does want help with solutions to specific problems I will be happy to offer advise.
Mostly though all it takes is a little more thought.
If anyone has specific questions about security please feel free to e-mail me: cameron@fidelis-security.com
I am away until Campaign Cup, so I won't get into the office until then but someone will be picking up my messages and be able to answer anything urgent.
Promotors can contact the PA if they want any advise.
As I have already said (as have others) taking turns on the gate/
entrance will keep out those who shouldn't have access. This should stop 99% of theft.
Having checked the other thread on reading, it seems that the kit bag went when everyone was asleep, so this requires a different approach.
If anyone does want help with solutions to specific problems I will be happy to offer advise.
Mostly though all it takes is a little more thought.
If anyone has specific questions about security please feel free to e-mail me: cameron@fidelis-security.com
I am away until Campaign Cup, so I won't get into the office until then but someone will be picking up my messages and be able to answer anything urgent.