Worringly I bought a paintball related item of eBay the other week and the seller told me he used to sell a 'full-auto' conversion kit which they've now binned. But he did offer me "all the info on how to do it" which I declined. Worrying indeed! 
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The switch they show may be big but think how easily it could replaced by one a lot smaller, or even adapted, I'm thinking lever switch + soft grip panels....
Paul
Paul
Maybe time to give the organisation your markers the day before a tournament, so they can open them up and check them.
After which they will seal it so they can see when the seal is broken when you enter the field. if it's broken your not allowed on the field.
When you want to change some setting or what ever, you have to go back to the dedicated marshall to let them check it and seal it again.
Tubbie
After which they will seal it so they can see when the seal is broken when you enter the field. if it's broken your not allowed on the field.
When you want to change some setting or what ever, you have to go back to the dedicated marshall to let them check it and seal it again.
Tubbie
indeed lots of guns needing checking, more money
lots of qualified people to check said guns, more money
plus, should anything be up with the gun on tournament day, you know where the blame is gonna go.
or even said qualified people getting bribes
you never know, theres big money to be won, and such a thing could happen.
like paul said, there are so many ways that something like this could be used, not just a blatent push button on the grip.
cant people just learn to shoot on their own, accurately and quickly without cheating. cant be hard if I can (sometimes) do it
lots of qualified people to check said guns, more money
plus, should anything be up with the gun on tournament day, you know where the blame is gonna go.
or even said qualified people getting bribes
you never know, theres big money to be won, and such a thing could happen.
like paul said, there are so many ways that something like this could be used, not just a blatent push button on the grip.
cant people just learn to shoot on their own, accurately and quickly without cheating. cant be hard if I can (sometimes) do it
In the interests of debate, and not to make this a one way shock horror thread consider the following:
1. What's the difference between this and a gat with 0 debounce, it's going to fire nearly as or as fast, and your going to be hopper speed, air recharge etc etc etc limited anyway, yep your gat may cycle faster, turn the eyes off and your going to shoot soup so upping to the gats theoretical cycling limits is about as much good as a chocolate tea pot. Some Pro's can probably shoot "hopper" fast with a semi, with even mild debounce anyway. I took 10+ in a mugging at Campaign, would it have been worse full auto, debatable.
2. Banning a player for a full auto bouncy gat, isn't much of a threat is it. OK so a player gets banned form the NXL for a naughty rail gun (not that that's going to happen), where's he going to turn up like 30 seconds later, NPPL anyone. Same with the more "parochial" tournament series around. No core governing body, how you going to enforce said ban?. I mean even the bans for fighting are like a joke. So is a gat that bounces more heinous than bottle whipping your opponent now?
I agree there probably is a safety issue with "sustained" full-auto, however is it any more dangerous than somebody who can go "hopper fast" semi? If hopper fast semi is deemed dangerous, then you gotta limit gat cycling speed period (then maybe allow F.A).
And another thing, if it is viewed as acceptable to have bouncy rail guns at the top level, shouldn't we allow them everywhere?. It is conceivable (due to it being a small "sport"), that you may at some point end up looking down Monsieur Lassoya's gat at some point. What you going to do refuse to play, or would you rather go out at least as technically well equipped?
Maybe I've taken too many head shots, but I do think this is overly alarmist. I have an issue with ramping guns fo'sho, but if someone can explain the real dangers of full auto over fast fingers (and they do exist even at Novice level), I'd be happy. I think a lot of people are like "ooooohhh full auto burn kill pillage" when the danger may not be manifest and if making the point to cosy up to UK laws on firearms etc, attracting unwarranted attention.
Ah well anybody else want to think "outside the box" on this one (in the interests of debate).
1. What's the difference between this and a gat with 0 debounce, it's going to fire nearly as or as fast, and your going to be hopper speed, air recharge etc etc etc limited anyway, yep your gat may cycle faster, turn the eyes off and your going to shoot soup so upping to the gats theoretical cycling limits is about as much good as a chocolate tea pot. Some Pro's can probably shoot "hopper" fast with a semi, with even mild debounce anyway. I took 10+ in a mugging at Campaign, would it have been worse full auto, debatable.
2. Banning a player for a full auto bouncy gat, isn't much of a threat is it. OK so a player gets banned form the NXL for a naughty rail gun (not that that's going to happen), where's he going to turn up like 30 seconds later, NPPL anyone. Same with the more "parochial" tournament series around. No core governing body, how you going to enforce said ban?. I mean even the bans for fighting are like a joke. So is a gat that bounces more heinous than bottle whipping your opponent now?
I agree there probably is a safety issue with "sustained" full-auto, however is it any more dangerous than somebody who can go "hopper fast" semi? If hopper fast semi is deemed dangerous, then you gotta limit gat cycling speed period (then maybe allow F.A).
And another thing, if it is viewed as acceptable to have bouncy rail guns at the top level, shouldn't we allow them everywhere?. It is conceivable (due to it being a small "sport"), that you may at some point end up looking down Monsieur Lassoya's gat at some point. What you going to do refuse to play, or would you rather go out at least as technically well equipped?
Maybe I've taken too many head shots, but I do think this is overly alarmist. I have an issue with ramping guns fo'sho, but if someone can explain the real dangers of full auto over fast fingers (and they do exist even at Novice level), I'd be happy. I think a lot of people are like "ooooohhh full auto burn kill pillage" when the danger may not be manifest and if making the point to cosy up to UK laws on firearms etc, attracting unwarranted attention.
Ah well anybody else want to think "outside the box" on this one (in the interests of debate).
I've said it before, but the Promoters are the legeslation, and they are in it to make $$$
you get the insurance companies telling them that their tournament insurance goes up by double if they don't regulate the bouncy guns, and watch how freakin quick this gets regulated...
you get the insurance companies telling them that their tournament insurance goes up by double if they don't regulate the bouncy guns, and watch how freakin quick this gets regulated...
Glen, from my point of view the difference is simple. Say a kid picks up a full auto gun for a gander in curiosity. He pulls the trigger once, and 25 balls are leaving the barrel (possible with a Halo). If it's semi, only or two.
That's a difference between someones eyes/teeth being where they were a couple of seconds ago or not.
Admittedly, the chances of this happening are VERY slim. However, the UK has laws against anything full auto for a very good reason.
I don't believe you can ever be over the top or alarmist when it comes to matters of safety.
I also agree with what you are saying about NXL teams but I all I can say is that I think it's wrong, bounce has always been frowned upon at tournaments, seemingly until this last year at NXl events. But, that's only what I've heard, I have never been to one so take the biggest pinch of salt with that statement that you want...
That's a difference between someones eyes/teeth being where they were a couple of seconds ago or not.
Admittedly, the chances of this happening are VERY slim. However, the UK has laws against anything full auto for a very good reason.
I don't believe you can ever be over the top or alarmist when it comes to matters of safety.
I also agree with what you are saying about NXL teams but I all I can say is that I think it's wrong, bounce has always been frowned upon at tournaments, seemingly until this last year at NXl events. But, that's only what I've heard, I have never been to one so take the biggest pinch of salt with that statement that you want...
I agree, I wouldnt be too bothered playing against a team with full-auto on their markers, as long as I could have the same benefits on mine.
Again on a safety perspective, is it really going to make too much difference? - Maybee more welts.....but hey thats paintball!
People can fire their markers close to hopper speed anyway, so why not bump it up and allow everyone to do the same? Im sure the paint industry would love it, even the slowest shooter will unload his hopper in seconds
Which insurance company would phyiscally travel out and audit the bouncing of triggers, and would they actually know what they are looking for? X-ball is going to be harder to enforce rules due to the intense nature of the format, players just don't stop firing their guns or moving in the 5 min duration! - It's going to have to be checked off-field, at which in this time 'cheat' mode can be deactivated prior to the checks.
But saying all this its Illegal to own a marker capable of shooting fully-auto anyway in most countries(isn't it?) - So instead of debating at the site, just phone the police and get your opposition arrested.