Recognition as a 'sport'
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Russ
As you are our nearest representative to the SC at the moment...
How 'easy' would it be to start the process all over again - but with a new name?
Would "insert new name here" have to be around for a long time under it's new name - or could it be a case of "well *new name* has been around for years - we just didn't know what to call it"?
Ta
As you are our nearest representative to the SC at the moment...
How 'easy' would it be to start the process all over again - but with a new name?
Would "insert new name here" have to be around for a long time under it's new name - or could it be a case of "well *new name* has been around for years - we just didn't know what to call it"?
Ta
I don't think it could work, the SC are not stupid and you have to supply so much stuff to them there is no way you could give them the runaround. You have to supply all sorts of media from magazines to TV coverage material, rulebooks, and the detailed paperwork that you have to supply is incredible the players who have particapated in the pa events would realise why we do all the admin.
It would be like rebranding football as "grassball".
Russ
Just add Sup'air to the name of Paintball, the SC would see that you're trying to distance yourself from the rec, and would probably approve more.
Also, that way you dont have to bother regulating / spending time /money on rec-ball?
it's not changing football to grassball, rather better defining the sport which is being represented
e.g slalum skiing
Also, that way you dont have to bother regulating / spending time /money on rec-ball?
it's not changing football to grassball, rather better defining the sport which is being represented
e.g slalum skiing
Well...I think it is a Stirling idea...I don't see it as a gimmic - but a sound business idea. You have to look at it from a business angle - as the SC are a business.
The name has to be something short and memorable (*waits for Skeet to interject*) - or even something long - but with good initials.
Once we can safely seperate the sports side form the rec side, we can progress. This even leaves the door open for DF to talk to the SC about their intentions (whatever they are). And, as much as some people don't like DF - they are still there after many years - and are still used by a lot of people (even if they have never heard of Peter Robinson).
Exactly!
Are Rugby League and Rugby Union defined as separate sports?
Are Australian Rules Football or American Football, defined as separate sports...both having more than a passing resemblance to either Rugby format?
I imagine that F1, F3, Rallying, Touring cars etc..are all represented by some Motor sports Council or something...but if they DO, have separate representation...why?
It is still driving a car, around a circuit...with the purpose of beating opponents, either by first past the post or time wise.
Super Air Ball...was the original name, I believe..so what is wrong with
Sup' Air Ball?
I think shortening it to Sup' rather than Super, would be better...as it poses the question...what is "Super" about it?
Or you could call it Unreal Ball..after "Unreal Tournament...but maybe not
Although the Big Head mode, was rather amusing and made long shots easier.
I apologize to Raffles, for not ejaculating the fruit of my grey matter onto his monitor as soon as he expected, but in my old age I have learned to control such things, until I have built up a sizeable load...of opinion
Now you're just being silly.......And, as much as some people don't like DF - they are still there after many years - and are still used by a lot of people (even if they have never heard of Peter Robinson
I've been mentioned a couple of times and i'd like to clear a few things up:
Pete: I'm not 'just a spokeperson' for DF. I don't think i've ever posted on work time and i've certainly never posted on behalf of, or because i've been told to, by Delta Force. I'm a free agent as far as these forums go. Opinions expressed are my own and no-one elses. I only defend DF because i see it from behind the scenes and i have facts whereas others only offer fiction, which 90% of the time is bollock5.
Raffles: Are you sure "Delta Force" put in the application to the Sports Council? I understood it was the organisation known as the 'UKPBA'? I could be wrong, i haven't checked myself?? I'd be very surprised if it is DF!
Incidentally, I have nothing to do with the UKPBA, which is why i don't post on here concerning them. The DF 'empire' divided a few years ago and i don't work for the company who were involved, with others, in setting up the UKPBA, hence i know nothing of it's structure/intentions etc. I only work for the operations side. Quite the contrary really, as i have always been a supporter of the PA as Russ, Gillie and Hatts will tell you. And i have 'served my time' on the UKPSF stall at Campaign Cup as well. My personal opinion is that the PA would do more for paintball in the UK than the UKPBA.
I've often made reference about paintball politics sucking...Here's an example... A couple of years back DF were refused entry to the UKPSF, NOT because we wouldn't or didn't conform to the UKPSF code, but because it would "cause uproar with the other members" if we were allowed in. Correct me if i'm wrong, Bully, but i'm pretty sure i'm not, (we had this discussion at the time anyway). This is how a now alienated DF sees it, from the outside looking in.... imagine a world where you could only operate a paintball site in the UK with UKPSF membership.. looks like DF would be out of paintball pretty quick. Although i'm not in anyway associated with the UKPBA i can tell you (because i heard it first hand when they formed) that this was the main reason behind the formation of the UKPBA. They didn't form to make money because the governing body (as recognised by sports council) has to be a non-profit-making organisation, it's one of the requirements.
Personally I don't think the govening body should be UKPBA or UKPSF or PA or any ONE body who has the power to exclude anyone else...IMO a paintball governing body should include people from all areas of paintball: Robbo/Hatts/Russ/Bully/Andy (Fat Bobs)/Wendy(Masters)/Syd NSPL etc etc along with representation from the biggest Rec-Ball providers including Skirmish and DF. An organisation for everyone in paintball... But will that happen? Roflmao!!
Pete: I'm not 'just a spokeperson' for DF. I don't think i've ever posted on work time and i've certainly never posted on behalf of, or because i've been told to, by Delta Force. I'm a free agent as far as these forums go. Opinions expressed are my own and no-one elses. I only defend DF because i see it from behind the scenes and i have facts whereas others only offer fiction, which 90% of the time is bollock5.
Raffles: Are you sure "Delta Force" put in the application to the Sports Council? I understood it was the organisation known as the 'UKPBA'? I could be wrong, i haven't checked myself?? I'd be very surprised if it is DF!
Incidentally, I have nothing to do with the UKPBA, which is why i don't post on here concerning them. The DF 'empire' divided a few years ago and i don't work for the company who were involved, with others, in setting up the UKPBA, hence i know nothing of it's structure/intentions etc. I only work for the operations side. Quite the contrary really, as i have always been a supporter of the PA as Russ, Gillie and Hatts will tell you. And i have 'served my time' on the UKPSF stall at Campaign Cup as well. My personal opinion is that the PA would do more for paintball in the UK than the UKPBA.
I've often made reference about paintball politics sucking...Here's an example... A couple of years back DF were refused entry to the UKPSF, NOT because we wouldn't or didn't conform to the UKPSF code, but because it would "cause uproar with the other members" if we were allowed in. Correct me if i'm wrong, Bully, but i'm pretty sure i'm not, (we had this discussion at the time anyway). This is how a now alienated DF sees it, from the outside looking in.... imagine a world where you could only operate a paintball site in the UK with UKPSF membership.. looks like DF would be out of paintball pretty quick. Although i'm not in anyway associated with the UKPBA i can tell you (because i heard it first hand when they formed) that this was the main reason behind the formation of the UKPBA. They didn't form to make money because the governing body (as recognised by sports council) has to be a non-profit-making organisation, it's one of the requirements.
Personally I don't think the govening body should be UKPBA or UKPSF or PA or any ONE body who has the power to exclude anyone else...IMO a paintball governing body should include people from all areas of paintball: Robbo/Hatts/Russ/Bully/Andy (Fat Bobs)/Wendy(Masters)/Syd NSPL etc etc along with representation from the biggest Rec-Ball providers including Skirmish and DF. An organisation for everyone in paintball... But will that happen? Roflmao!!
Gups, I was under the impression you worked for them in some capacity and whilst realising you weren't an 'official' voice for DF, by default, I most certainly viewed you as an unofficial one.
I readily concede however that you are certainly more in the know when it comes to direct evidence but unfortunately that leaves quite a bit of room for indirect to takes it's toll on me and I end up being not one of their strongest advocates.
As for me bing on any paintball governing body?
Hmmmmm, first off, only one or the other, Russ or Hatts .... my vote goes for Russ and and I'm afraid any official body that has Andy from Fat Bob's ain't gonna have me on board, even if you paid me ten million quid - I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire and I trust him about as far as I could throw Bully and Ledz tied together with whale rope.
Apart from him, I got no problems with anybody else mentioned on that proposed board and all of them would bring somethign to the table.
On the subject of Ledz, he would have to be on the board too.
He is 100% honest and would do what's 100% best for the UK member ballers.
I or Ledz would have to be made chairman just to make damned sure nobody was gonna try and use their position on the board to make money from it
I guess 'deceit evidence' WAS a typo and you in fact meant 'direct evidence..or maybe not?? 'I readily concede however that you are certainly more in the know when it comes to deceit evidence ...
Ah, glad to see you'd be coming to the table with an open mind then PeteAs for me bing on any paintball governing body?
Hmmmmm, first off, only one or the other, Russ or Hatts .... my vote goes for Russ and and I'm afraid any official body that has Andy from Fat Bob's ain't gonna have me on board, even if you paid me ten million quid - I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire and I trust him about as far as I could throw Bully and Ledz tied together with whale rope.
Shame on me! how could i leave Ledz off my 'List'! Strike me down and whip me with a thousand lashes!, Oh sorry, BDSM is tomorrow nite ....
Yup! A true democracy with an ELECTED chairPERSON... and it's 'Ledz or I', remember others before self....I or Ledz would have to be made chairman just to make damned sure nobody was gonna try and use their position on the board to make money from it
Ah....Is there NO hope for us???
As a company I personally have no gripes with DF and in some ways (if what I have been told is correct) they run safe sites that are as good as any other sites in the UK.
However when they lie about what they represent it kinda spoils what I think.
If you look at the ukpba site (an organisation that is owned and run by a arm of DF) you will see the following quote...
"What is UKPBA?
The United Kingdom Paintball Association (UKPBA) is a non-profit making body dedicated to promoting, and protecting, the sport of Paintball in the UK.
Established in 1989, it has a membership well in excess of 500,000 people – all of whom play paintball or have played paintball in the past. It is believed to be the largest body representative of British paintball and has a fair claim to be considered the governing body of the sport in the UK."
Well like a few people on here I have been involved in paintball for a long time and I first heard about these about a year ago when I had a phone call from Andy Scutt asking if I had seen it, well it is obvious bollocks and I don't care why they started their arguments with the UKPSF or even if either think they have a good reason to try and win a pissing match.
The simple fact is they both represent or want to at this point the trade side of paintball and that itself means they can not represent the sports side.
The UKPSF understand that fully and that is the very reason they have supported the application from the PA.
If the PA had not been asked to apply by the sports council this year we would not have applied until this coming November when other criteria would have been met that would have assisted our application.
I have been told the UKPBA could not meet the requirements that the sports council demand but just by applying it could spoil any other application.
They have as I see it no interest in what everyone sees as the sports side and I believe they have a belief that if they get recognition they could control the site market instead of the UKPSF, I wish they had called someone who knew what could happen, because that couldn't and visa versa.
I believe no sports recognition will be awarded this year, and we will just put it down to experience.
And Gups - we like you too
Russ
If you want to check it yourself www.ukpba.org.uk
However when they lie about what they represent it kinda spoils what I think.
If you look at the ukpba site (an organisation that is owned and run by a arm of DF) you will see the following quote...
"What is UKPBA?
The United Kingdom Paintball Association (UKPBA) is a non-profit making body dedicated to promoting, and protecting, the sport of Paintball in the UK.
Established in 1989, it has a membership well in excess of 500,000 people – all of whom play paintball or have played paintball in the past. It is believed to be the largest body representative of British paintball and has a fair claim to be considered the governing body of the sport in the UK."
Well like a few people on here I have been involved in paintball for a long time and I first heard about these about a year ago when I had a phone call from Andy Scutt asking if I had seen it, well it is obvious bollocks and I don't care why they started their arguments with the UKPSF or even if either think they have a good reason to try and win a pissing match.
The simple fact is they both represent or want to at this point the trade side of paintball and that itself means they can not represent the sports side.
The UKPSF understand that fully and that is the very reason they have supported the application from the PA.
If the PA had not been asked to apply by the sports council this year we would not have applied until this coming November when other criteria would have been met that would have assisted our application.
I have been told the UKPBA could not meet the requirements that the sports council demand but just by applying it could spoil any other application.
They have as I see it no interest in what everyone sees as the sports side and I believe they have a belief that if they get recognition they could control the site market instead of the UKPSF, I wish they had called someone who knew what could happen, because that couldn't and visa versa.
I believe no sports recognition will be awarded this year, and we will just put it down to experience.
And Gups - we like you too
Russ
If you want to check it yourself www.ukpba.org.uk