ramping at dartford
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The ramping thing.
The Pa and now the first Millennium have passed without a hitch using 15bps, got to say I love it and it's a natural evolutionary step in spectator/tourney ball.
The next step yes, but without the technology to police the RoF cap, we still have to stay semi only, and trust that probably most of the players will be honest enough to stick to mostly-legal guns.
I agree with you but it doesn't mean i like it or think its safe. It has to be the natural evolution because at present it seems it can't be stopped.
The next statement is NOT DIRECTED at any one team.....
Do people think the ramping situation has got out of control because pro teams have been secretly using this for years (pressures to win and all that)
Or it was a natural progression by everyday tourney ballers and as a whole the industry followed?
I'm not throwing mud at pro's but we at least try to emulate them and i personally feel we as an industry have been lead by more and more pro teams using this facility to give them another advtantage on the field.
Can we debate this sensibly please????? No shut the f*ck up you no game wannabe posts.
Ta
Ken
not true
I for one have NEVER used ramping before the training before germany. Do i like it? ye for the simple reason they cap the bps the guy shooting back at me is not cheating he doing 15 same as me. i think you should just get over it!
I for one have NEVER used ramping before the training before germany. Do i like it? ye for the simple reason they cap the bps the guy shooting back at me is not cheating he doing 15 same as me. i think you should just get over it!
Why post just get over it? I'm asking for intelligent debate about the issue and why it has come to this state of affairs. Your response is that you personally have never broke the rules with gun enhancements before (very commenable) and that ramping is good as it levels the playing field in that you rate of fire is now equal to the opposition.
So your agreeing with me in that it unfairly penalises people who've spent years training to run/ shoot fast yes? I for one can't run and shoot quick (two things at a time confuse me!) However with ramping its not even something i need to worry about as i'll let the gun do the work.
Also i'm still concerned about safety. However after what seems like a successful Germany and PA leg this seems less of an issue than before.
Anyway i'm open to being persuaded round to your way of thinking i really am. However don't tell me to "get over it" without giving me reasons why !!!
Ken
The same argument was raised when the guys who honed their slam firing skilz on their sterling stp's were suddenly out gunned by kidz with automags just pullin the trigger.
The point is that there is always resistance to change but it is a necessity to keep the game fresh. The most TV/spectator friendly format there is, is x-ball, they now have the cap but still stick with guns that shoot ropes of paint as it is MUCH more exciting to watch than a dude poppin away with a splatmaster.
There is possibly an argument about saftey but the NXL played full auto last year without incident. Personaly I think the refs should come down hard on overshooting, as they did in EXL, and hey presto no-one risks getting 1 4 1'd and stops their overkill.
The point is that there is always resistance to change but it is a necessity to keep the game fresh. The most TV/spectator friendly format there is, is x-ball, they now have the cap but still stick with guns that shoot ropes of paint as it is MUCH more exciting to watch than a dude poppin away with a splatmaster.
There is possibly an argument about saftey but the NXL played full auto last year without incident. Personaly I think the refs should come down hard on overshooting, as they did in EXL, and hey presto no-one risks getting 1 4 1'd and stops their overkill.
I see this as an evolution in the game, i did have a moment where i thought 'hey so all that practice shooting off hand was worthless' but then i thought some more, it's all very well being able to shoot 15bps while running- i agree that it is now easier to achieve. But - you've still got to be able to use this firepower correctly- 15 balls shot at a barricade is just as useless as 10 or 30, put those 15 in the right place and there is the difference- and that still takes time and skill to create a stable shooting platform while running.
Thats my view, i still practice left hand walking because in order to achieve my ramped 15 i need to be able to pull the trigger consistently and fast enough to maintain a constant stream.
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Thats my view, i still practice left hand walking because in order to achieve my ramped 15 i need to be able to pull the trigger consistently and fast enough to maintain a constant stream.
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Debate goes on because a few still want to change things and are unhappy because the vote went against them
4 series have voted and the majority verdict in each case was NO to ramping, note the UK Masters even had a demonstration game to show what it was like and still vote 70% NO
The PA did not have a formal vote on it but introduced the ruling anyway, so asking for a vote doesn't work in the pro lobbies favour
People also talk about progress but moving to ramping is not progress, it's a temporary fix to negate the effect cheater boards have on the game. Ramping may have its place in paintball but to class something that is in between semi and full auto as progress means that you would rather just play the game on full auto
A mode of play that has been tried and failed so is that not regresson no progression
4 series have voted and the majority verdict in each case was NO to ramping, note the UK Masters even had a demonstration game to show what it was like and still vote 70% NO
The PA did not have a formal vote on it but introduced the ruling anyway, so asking for a vote doesn't work in the pro lobbies favour
People also talk about progress but moving to ramping is not progress, it's a temporary fix to negate the effect cheater boards have on the game. Ramping may have its place in paintball but to class something that is in between semi and full auto as progress means that you would rather just play the game on full auto
A mode of play that has been tried and failed so is that not regresson no progression
i meen get over it n the nicest way not aimed at you in person more a sweeping statment this has been done to death it just getting a little same old. This debate came round when semi's were introduced its no different so i mean get over as in move on its here to stay as long as people will cheat. No offense ment
QUOTE]Originally posted by KEN@AFGM
Why post just get over it? I'm asking for intelligent debate about the issue and why it has come to this state of affairs. Your response is that you personally have never broke the rules with gun enhancements before (very commenable) and that ramping is good as it levels the playing field in that you rate of fire is now equal to the opposition.
So your agreeing with me in that it unfairly penalises people who've spent years training to run/ shoot fast yes? I for one can't run and shoot quick (two things at a time confuse me!) However with ramping its not even something i need to worry about as i'll let the gun do the work.
Also i'm still concerned about safety. However after what seems like a successful Germany and PA leg this seems less of an issue than before.
Anyway i'm open to being persuaded round to your way of thinking i really am. However don't tell me to "get over it" without giving me reasons why !!!
Ken [/QUOTE]
QUOTE]Originally posted by KEN@AFGM
Why post just get over it? I'm asking for intelligent debate about the issue and why it has come to this state of affairs. Your response is that you personally have never broke the rules with gun enhancements before (very commenable) and that ramping is good as it levels the playing field in that you rate of fire is now equal to the opposition.
So your agreeing with me in that it unfairly penalises people who've spent years training to run/ shoot fast yes? I for one can't run and shoot quick (two things at a time confuse me!) However with ramping its not even something i need to worry about as i'll let the gun do the work.
Also i'm still concerned about safety. However after what seems like a successful Germany and PA leg this seems less of an issue than before.
Anyway i'm open to being persuaded round to your way of thinking i really am. However don't tell me to "get over it" without giving me reasons why !!!
Ken [/QUOTE]