Pro Tour Team Captains #2

[MrPink]

Originally posted by Iron Lions - Ed

It would be nice if when Millenium locks Div one in 2007 they make one of the routes in for 2008 sufficiently high placing in accredited domestic tourney series as well as doing well in Div 2. Would be even better if as a domestic series prize in such a scenario was paid entry into Div 1 Millenium for a season.

For anyone who plays Poker it's like doing a satellite tournament and if you win you go to the next tournament with that higher fee paid by those who lost in the satellite. Might be a way to get some good teams who can't afford to play the whole series normally there.

Why should the Mill. Series allocate a locked Div place to someone who hasn't supported it?
Plenty of Euro teams at Div2 and 3 play most, if not all of the Millennium series events, so why should they be potntially pushed out of a spot they would otherwise rightfully earn by a team that couldn't be arsed to motivate itself enough to play outside of a 100 miles area.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by MrPink
Why should the Mill. Series allocate a locked Div place to someone who hasn't supported it?
Plenty of Euro teams at Div2 and 3 play most, if not all of the Millennium series events, so why should they be potntially pushed out of a spot they would otherwise rightfully earn by a team that couldn't be arsed to motivate itself enough to play outside of a 100 miles area.

Spot on Pinky, good point !

 

[Kylistics]

someone should reopen temple. i remember my first tournament there.

Shockwave
tigers
nwc
iron wolf
storm
hillbillies
rushers
backlash

a few more im sure, but all the top teams were there.

kyle

 

[Iron Lions - Ed]

Why should the Mill. Series allocate a locked Div place to someone who hasn't supported it?
Plenty of Euro teams at Div2 and 3 play most, if not all of the Millennium series events, so why should they be potntially pushed out of a spot they would otherwise rightfully earn by a team that couldn't be arsed to motivate itself enough to play outside of a 100 miles area.

They shouldn't. Simple as. However with the desire to move to a locked division the Millenium Series needs to be able to rely that teams are able to make every event of the series or it fails. They need to look at ways of ensuring teams commit to the whole season. They could do it by having a small division from the existing pool of teams that can afford to play a whole series in Europe and are of the correct standard or they can have a larger division by finding ways for more teams to be able to afford the entry.

My suggested way is to allow satellite series that will pay the entry fee for a suitably skilled team that would not otherwise have been able to afford the entry fees. No spots in the division are being lost but more teams being able afford the series allowing a bigger division becomes possible. It goes back to the proven model of poker tournament financing.

Benefits to the Millenium are more commited teams, and the ability to have some say in national series rules/format used if they want to be awarded a spot to give to their series winner. The domestic series should gain by having teams fighting to get this cheaper way into International tournaments meaning they get more teams entering their series and make more money and can thus afford to offer the Millenium Entry Fee prize.

 

[Iron Lions - Ed]

And as I suggested earlier, the PA in the past has not really indicated any real sense of humility or pragmatism and unless the mentality changes there is little chance of what you suggest in taking place.

Hopefully with the Managers meetings taking place the players are having voice in the channges we want. Having attended the one at the end of last year I did see a Real Voice coming from the players on what we want this year and it was agreed to. 1-4-1 are back, in front of the gate again, ramping allowed, spectator cheering allowed. Hopefully people who had questions on some of the rules used last year see things are moving in the right direction again now.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Iron Lions - Ed
They shouldn't. Simple as. However with the desire to move to a locked division the Millenium Series needs to be able to rely that teams are able to make every event of the series or it fails. They need to look at ways of ensuring teams commit to the whole season. They could do it by having a small division from the existing pool............

........series rules/format used if they want to be awarded a spot to give to their series winner. The domestic series should gain by having teams fighting to get this cheaper way into International tournaments meaning they get more teams entering their series and make more money and can thus afford to offer the Millenium Entry Fee prize.

Ed, you are making a fatal mistake in believing the dynamics of league management has some adherence to commonsense ... rational arguments do not exactly fall on fertile ground when dealing with these people; politics and self-interest play significant roles, so don't be too disappointed when your ideas ain't adopted by anybody.. a fact of paintball life I'm afraid mate

 

[Iron Lions - Ed]

Arghh, no defense to unbrideled cynicism!! I will have no choice but to emulate your achievements to get to your level...

start pulling their hair out.

...but maybe not. I'm not cut out for the dedication required

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Iron Lions - Ed
Arghh, no defense to unbrideled cynicism!! I will have no choice but to emulate your achievements to get to your level...



...but maybe not. I'm not cut out for the dedication required

...it's a cynicism borne out of experience after observing how these people operate.
It has little to do with any level you think I may be at and much more to do with looking at what happens around you.

You have only to have been around for the last 3 years or so to be able to form a valid opinion upon how leagues like the Millennium or PA go about their business.

It's hardly rockey science Ed, and certainly doesn't require that much experience or that much thought.

At times both leagues have done things where they will transform all of us into Victor Meldrew..........

 

[Steve Hancock]

I reckon the best way to get the top teams playing a uk league, is through that league having a common format with the internationals. That way playing the uk league will be useful practice for the internationals. Offering decent prizes would also be a good incentive as they would provide them with funding for the internationals. Of course for this to work the prizes would need to be bigger than the cost of playing.

And once all the top teams are playing, then that in itself will become an incentive for them to keep playing the league - as it is a chance to play the other top teams. It will also add credability to the title, making it more high profile and interesting to team sponsors, further increasing the incentive to play.

 

[IanC]

Originally posted by Steve Hancock
I reckon the best way to get the top teams playing a uk league, is through that league having a common format with the internationals. That way playing the uk league will be useful practice for the internationals. Offering decent prizes would also be a good incentive as they would provide them with funding for the internationals. Of course for this to work the prizes would need to be bigger than the cost of playing.

And once all the top teams are playing, then that in itself will become an incentive for them to keep playing the league - as it is a chance to play the other top teams. It will also add credability to the title, making it more high profile and interesting to team sponsors, further increasing the incentive to play.

Playing the best teams we can is the biggest incentive that any tourney series could offer us! The same format as the big leagues may be nice, but to be honest, for young teams like us the need to battle it out with the best teams we can is the driving factor.

Yes, for the first few events we will probably be beaten $hitless, but we will learn from this! Winning game after game teaches us nothing, and our game dropped towards the end of last year, rather than improved! We could grow more from a few games with the likes of the kellys, nexus, shock, phoenix etc. than we could from a whole season bashing up teams who still mostly play for a giggle!

Prizes, nice idea, free entry into MS events....sure.....but it ain't happening 'cos that will cost the industry money, the best we can hope for is to get enough good teams into the bigger circuit that UK ball becomes interesting from a marketing point of view.

From there we stand a chance of talking about prizes but that is a long way off, we must first be serious contenders to win a title before worrying about the paycheck!