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It can be a good thing for a team if its handled correctly. Bringing Oliver to practice with you and play the entire year is good. It will help develop your players. But bringing in 3-4 players just for the event will kill your team.
No matter what the result those guys get you will have a bunch of pissed off players back home that havent developt at all. So when the money runs out to finance those US players comming over, where will you be then?

Im amazed that so many teams fail to understand this bacis issue.
You have to ask yourself, is it better to get a 3rd place with 3 guest players and zero devolpment for the rest of team or a 10th place with your local players and a better chance to climb next year?
But still the days of flying in a couple of US players and win in Europe is over.
Like Philly just showed it have to be a full NXL squad that bring their A game. Like I said last year.

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So, the question then is:

Do we want to force the hand of the european teams here by instituting rules - or leave it up to everyone if they want to take the route of hired guns?

Personally, I think it is a slippery slope, and that if we keep allowing teams to sign up as many hired guns as they want, it will get ridiculous in the end.

When 2 guys aren't enough to get you results, you will sign 3, and then 4, and then the entire starting line up.

Is that really what we want at our events? (except ofcourse for the apparent entertainment value of seeing top level Pros destroy 2nd level players)

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Ironic you'd use the slippery slope argument in favor of increased rules and regulations, controlling who can play where and how and so on and so forth.

If the rules say, 1 (or 2 or 3, whatever the number is) pro/nxl player per D1, D2 team then how can you "slip" from there?

Now if the rules place no limit on the number of pros, that's garbage. There should be a limit if there is not one. But that limit should not be < 1.

Don't forget, paintball is still played for fun by 99.99% of the paintball population. Only a very very very very small group of people say they play pro paintball because they have to has a job and don't have many other alternatives. It's not like these hired guns really win tournaments. They just shoot out a couple the sloppy players who leave their butts hanging out and its still upon the rest of the team to win and win consistently.

ps - what do you do about the D1 player that's as good as a pro or even better? Why is it ok for an A+ Euro player to play D1 and not for a B- pro player from the states to come over and play D1?
 
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dissent said:
1--If the rules say, 1 (or 2 or 3, whatever the number is) pro/nxl player per D1, D2 team then how can you "slip" from there?

2--Now if the rules place no limit on the number of pros, that's garbage. There should be a limit if there is not one. But that limit should not be < 1.

3--Don't forget, paintball is still played for fun by 99.99% of the paintball population. Only a very very very very small group of people say they play pro paintball because they have to has a job and don't have many other alternatives. It's not like these hired guns really win tournaments. They just shoot out a couple the sloppy players who leave their butts hanging out and its still upon the rest of the team to win and win consistently.

4--ps - what do you do about the D1 player that's as good as a pro or even better? Why is it ok for an A+ Euro player to play D1 and not for a B- pro player from the states to come over and play D1?
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You're slipping, dis. :)
1--despite what most have argued the place it matters most is the CPL and then the SPL. SEE Mags post as he has it exactly right. What we are on the threshold of is a new economic era and while it's undoubtedly true and a fact of life that some teams have better players and some teams are better financed the time is coming when in order to maintain the core integrity of the sport hard decisions are gonna have to be made. We are close--in the US anyway--to a couple of Yankees teams with the rest be small market wannabes and that will kill competition and general interest as fast as anything else.
Nick's concern is really just a piece in a bigger puzzle.
2--the limit should be to rostered spots over the course of the season (at the CPL and SPL level), not simply to locking rosters at some late date. If a team had X number of spots they could put different players in and that number was finite for the season (discounting things like injury exemptions and so on) there would still be options to bring in players but not wholesale and teams would have to consider the season long implication of making such moves.
3--are you really arguing that since it's a lousy strategy for success to buy hired guns it's okay to keep doing it?
4--because for one, that's already accounted for by promotion since this is, theoretically, a team game (and if this hypothetical player is so fabulous how does he/she remain D1?) and two, it's plainly not as prevalent as the influx of hired guns.
 
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In my opinion bringing in a pro player to replace another pro player is okay to an extent,because thats the highest level you can play at, but for a pro to replace a SPL player,thats not good...........Sucks in fact!

Also, the gap in skill level between American Pros and European Pros is Massive! No disrespect to any Pro Europeans ment, but its true!

I think Frank hit the nail on the head by saying that were playing 5-man now, so having 2-3 Top US Pros on your team is more than 50% of your squad(if you play them all together in a point)! It will make a huge differece in 5-man, because 7-man format is totally different!

All I know is that We(the Kellys) Lost to Ton Ton 5-0(they had 3 AAs) Lost to Nexus 5-0(they had 2 Ironmen) But beat Ignition 5-1(they had 0 Ringers) So what does that say?

If you carn't beat em' join em'? Bollocks...........Kellys and Icon have proved you dont need ringers to win, but I guess were in a bigger pond now with bigger fish, so time will tell.................
 
Freddie Brockdorff

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dissent said:
- It's not like these hired guns really win tournaments.

- what do you do about the D1 player that's as good as a pro or even better? Why is it ok for an A+ Euro player to play D1 and not for a B- pro player from the states to come over and play D1?
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1. It´s STILL not only about winning - it´s all about relegation and promotion, not only about 1st place but also about those critical spots in the top or bottom of every division! Bringing in pro players may not win you a tournament, but can in fact help you from the bottom-4 to the top-4 *hint hint* !

2. Well - what are you on about??! Even if a player may be as good as any pro but remains a ranked div. 1 player, well there you have it: He/she IS in fact still ranked as such?! And AGAIN you seem to have missed half of this discussion - this should ably to ALL players, no matter if you are american, european, chinese, australian or even freaking "south polian"!!!!
 
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