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Hey fly
About pro players in AM B and Novice: To implement a rule that makes it 100% fair will not be easy, but some adjustments could probably be done in the current rules.
Just typical that this sandbagging discussion came up when we finally won something (without pros)
Hey Nick, I am probably older than you and I just started playing paintball!Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
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I for one would hope I would get to play at lower level, once my Pro days are over (that may be soon enough....getting old here
Nick
About pro players in AM B and Novice: To implement a rule that makes it 100% fair will not be easy, but some adjustments could probably be done in the current rules.
Just typical that this sandbagging discussion came up when we finally won something (without pros)
No.
Because; A) the promotors aren't inclined to turn away potential customers, and B) there is some hard work involved, and C) no telling who might be put out as the higher rated players frequently have relationships with various companies who also pay the event freight. So, there's a couple reasons.
As to answers take a look at Raehl's APPA thread in this forum.
Raehl's thread is a good step however since all the people who play paintball choose to do so...ie NOT PAID...who the hell is anyone to tell player X that he/she can't play for Team Z. If acceptance of those registration ideas is adopted wholesale then perhaps the idea will work but internal interests will always outweigh this...certainly for the short term. Players are paying customers...we choose where and how we spend our money. Paintball is one of the few "sports" that has the situation where a Team Capatin can drop a player and then still expect them to pay the days total cost divided by the amount of players who were present. For a Promotor to now start telling someone they can't play do to the fact that they are too good...is a double edged sword to say the least. I do however agree that it is unfair on other paying customers to meet a Team that has "guest" players who play against (and hold their own against) top flight (read talented) Teams. But then how small minded are the individuals that put themselves in that position by playing at a "lesser" level...it is just "punter hunting" but with sup air instead of a "walk-on". The current tournament situation is often quoted as to learn you have to play the more talented teams...well if this situation remains then you will still get the accusations of mis-matched games...sure play at the "higher" rated game but only if you declare your team to be at that level, Team Wone Concepts got shot to bits at HB but have made the choice to be there...in theory if they appeared at another tournament and played at say AM B...would they get accused of "sandbagging"....they should....but it has been said on a lot of the american forums (not here) that they shouldn't be playing at the highest level (insert flames and other reasons here ) But this is where the choice as a paying customer comes in they have chosen to make that payment in the highest division. The level of playing skill should be adhered to and the "lesser" ??? teams play against other lesser teams...if a team rises to the top in that company then the pressure will be there for them to move up. With very few exceptions all paintball tournaments play all skill levels in the same half of the draw...the results those teams gain then count on a scoreboard seperated into the level of skill...it ain't right. To use a UK comparison the only time "The Wheel Tappers Arms Football Team" get to play higher skill rated teams is in a special knock out tournament...not every sunday....the other sundays they are playing against people of their own skill level. So until the paintball tournamenst are arranged to be more inline (division wise) with the skill levels these accusations of sandbagging are going to continue. I think I have explained my thoughts correctly
) But this is where the choice as a paying customer comes in they have chosen to make that payment in the highest division. The level of playing skill should be adhered to and the "lesser" ??? teams play against other lesser teams...if a team rises to the top in that company then the pressure will be there for them to move up. With very few exceptions all paintball tournaments play all skill levels in the same half of the draw...the results those teams gain then count on a scoreboard seperated into the level of skill...it ain't right. To use a UK comparison the only time "The Wheel Tappers Arms Football Team" get to play higher skill rated teams is in a special knock out tournament...not every sunday....the other sundays they are playing against people of their own skill level. So until the paintball tournamenst are arranged to be more inline (division wise) with the skill levels these accusations of sandbagging are going to continue. I think I have explained my thoughts correctly
Re: Hey fly
No Bitter feelings Hasse, but wasn´t cyclone playing pro for a couple of years ago?
I dont think it is wrong to have players in a team if u are intended to keep them for the future.. Were not going to play AmB forever like some other teams seem to do..
Mike "The Energizer Bunny" Didnt do all the work in my opinion, were a team. We win as a team and we loose as a team.
see you all in toulouse..
Mikko Team Hypnotize.
Originally posted by DMZ Hasse
Hey Nick, I am probably older than you and I just started playing paintball!
About pro players in AM B and Novice: To implement a rule that makes it 100% fair will not be easy, but some adjustments could probably be done in the current rules.
Just typical that this sandbagging discussion came up when we finally won something (without pros)
No Bitter feelings Hasse, but wasn´t cyclone playing pro for a couple of years ago?
I dont think it is wrong to have players in a team if u are intended to keep them for the future.. Were not going to play AmB forever like some other teams seem to do..
Mike "The Energizer Bunny" Didnt do all the work in my opinion, were a team. We win as a team and we loose as a team.
see you all in toulouse..
Mikko Team Hypnotize.
Re: Re: Hey fly
Why should you be bitter, you beat 41 teams! At least I know I wouldn't be.
We have one guy on our team who has played with Clone (farm team to AM A team Cyclone). No pros. Most people in our team saw a speedball/supairfield for the first time in 2001 so I can't say that I feel any pressure to go AM A before we are able to at least make the semis in AM B more than once.
Dunno what you read into what i posted but I don't have a problem with you guys (or anyone) having an ex-pro player in your team. If you have the intention to go to AM A and even Pro (we have that intention, at least to AM A in the foreseeable future) it is logical to have someone in your team who knows what it takes to play in the higher divisions.
Mikko,
Why should you be bitter, you beat 41 teams! At least I know I wouldn't be.
We have one guy on our team who has played with Clone (farm team to AM A team Cyclone). No pros. Most people in our team saw a speedball/supairfield for the first time in 2001 so I can't say that I feel any pressure to go AM A before we are able to at least make the semis in AM B more than once.
Dunno what you read into what i posted but I don't have a problem with you guys (or anyone) having an ex-pro player in your team. If you have the intention to go to AM A and even Pro (we have that intention, at least to AM A in the foreseeable future) it is logical to have someone in your team who knows what it takes to play in the higher divisions.
Hey fly
came up against them in portugal, and again in amsterdam. Good team, Good bunch of Guys 20 seconds too many in our game though ...........
I agree With you. People Cant play pro forever, as there just aren't enough pro teams out there to keep moving around. Now if Mike was still an on/off joy player then the situation would be different. I guessw there should be a distinction between "active" pro players, and those who no longer play pro, but need to keep playing ballIt was good to play them though, whether they used a pro player or notOriginally posted by Nick Brockdorff
For your information, Mike is no longer a Joy player.
Question then is - if you are no longer on a Pro team - do you just quit playing paintball ?
I for one would hope I would get to play at lower level, once my Pro days are over (that may be soon enough....getting old here
Nick
came up against them in portugal, and again in amsterdam. Good team, Good bunch of Guys 20 seconds too many in our game though ...........
Some of this (players in teams at a "lower" level than they usually play at) may be caused by the wording of rule 3.7, which I just read again this morning.
"In each season players can move as many times as they want inside their own category. Out of their category players can move up or down as many times as they want. If a player has moved down once, he cannot move up again during this season."
So what the f*** does this exactly mean? You can move "up or down as many times as they want" OUTSIDE your category, but if you've moved down, you can't move up. Seems a bit contradictory to me. You can't move UP OR DOWN as often as you want if you can't move up again once you've moved down!
I'm sort of assuming that if someone plays at Am A then guests for an Am B team, they can't move back up to Am A (a question I was asked just this morning, which is why I re-read the rule). It seems a bit the wrong way round to me - I would have thought moving DOWN as the season progresses would be more of a sandbagging situation that moving back UP, and leaves things open for Pros who's teams aren't in with a shout for the overall title, to rip it up in the lower divisions.
Anyway, if anyone can answer my friend's specific query about guesting for an Am B team then back up playing in Am A for his usual team, I'd be grateful.
"In each season players can move as many times as they want inside their own category. Out of their category players can move up or down as many times as they want. If a player has moved down once, he cannot move up again during this season."
So what the f*** does this exactly mean? You can move "up or down as many times as they want" OUTSIDE your category, but if you've moved down, you can't move up. Seems a bit contradictory to me. You can't move UP OR DOWN as often as you want if you can't move up again once you've moved down!
I'm sort of assuming that if someone plays at Am A then guests for an Am B team, they can't move back up to Am A (a question I was asked just this morning, which is why I re-read the rule). It seems a bit the wrong way round to me - I would have thought moving DOWN as the season progresses would be more of a sandbagging situation that moving back UP, and leaves things open for Pros who's teams aren't in with a shout for the overall title, to rip it up in the lower divisions.
Anyway, if anyone can answer my friend's specific query about guesting for an Am B team then back up playing in Am A for his usual team, I'd be grateful.
Thanks Nick
So another case of the rule needing to be rewritten I fear, as it directly contradicts itself as it IS written. I checked with loads of people who don't play but are very good at reading english (e.g. civil servants! , someone with A* for english A level ) and they all think it says 2 different things.
I'll get back to my friend tomorrow & tell him he can't guest for Am B if he wants to play for his usual team then
So another case of the rule needing to be rewritten I fear, as it directly contradicts itself as it IS written. I checked with loads of people who don't play but are very good at reading english (e.g. civil servants!
, someone with A* for english A level ) and they all think it says 2 different things.I'll get back to my friend tomorrow & tell him he can't guest for Am B if he wants to play for his usual team then