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Manning26

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Onion, I'm sure you weren't tryin' to rip anyone, but put yourself in the other persons shoes. You talk of the injustices us paintballers deal with, and slam on another group of people. You're just displacing the hate Man. Onion, you're a smart dude, surely you understand the point. Take care all.
 

KillerOnion

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It was just a comparison

TJ and Manning, you both see my point except for the aspect that in I was using examples that just happen to not be hypothetical, but current sacred cows that I don't particularly subscribe to as being sacred at all.

Granted that this is text form and you can't exactly tell the degree of semi-facetiousness (sp?) behind it, you sort of took that the wrong way. But it even furthers my point: you dare not even step within a 50 foot circle of insulting (jokingly, rhetorically, for the sake of arguement as in this case, or otherwise) certain designated things or ideas because at the time they are protected according to current fashion of thought, and automatically have some kind of alarms going off in your head when someone else does. Of particular interest in such point is that those rushing to the defense of groups mentioned are not members of said groups (I'm guessing on that), but have unwittingly become their puppets or trained attack dogs because the commonly accepted thought wavelength of the masses tells them they should. How sad. The same people that display "Question Authority" and various "anarchy" bumper stickers and seemingly strive daily to live according to some form of nonconformism themselves don't even question the current status quo and in turn conform to the supposed nonconformity.

In short, attacking my ideas thinking by doing such to promote tolerance of other ideas is itself no less intolerance of ideas. The concept of "tolerance" and "open mindedness" is a dog chasing its tail: an idea or behavior exists and is to be left alone according to the principle of, but mandating that they be left alone is itself forbidding a thought process or course of action, and that restriction is an infringement upon the original idea of freedom of thought and action. To quote Dr. No, (from the James Bond movie of the same name) "East, West [are] just points of the compass, each as stupid as the other."
 

KillerOnion

Lord of the Ringtones
It was just a comparison

TJ and Manning, you both see my point except for the aspect that in I was using examples that just happen to not be hypothetical, but current sacred cows that I don't particularly subscribe to as being sacred at all.

Granted that this is text form and you can't exactly tell the degree of semi-facetiousness (sp?) behind it, you sort of took that the wrong way. But it even furthers my point: you dare not even step within a 50 foot circle of insulting (jokingly, rhetorically, for the sake of arguement as in this case, or otherwise) certain designated things or ideas because at the time they are protected according to current fashion of thought, and automatically have some kind of alarms going off in your head when someone else does. Of particular interest in such point is that those rushing to the defense of groups mentioned are not members of said groups (I'm guessing on that), but have unwittingly become their puppets or trained attack dogs because the commonly accepted thought wavelength of the masses tells them they should. How sad. The same people that display "Question Authority" and various "anarchy" bumper stickers and seemingly strive daily to live according to some form of nonconformism themselves don't even question the current status quo and in turn conform to the supposed nonconformity.

In short, to attack my ideas thinking by doing such to promote tolerance of other ideas is itself no less intolerance of ideas. The concept of "tolerance" and "open mindedness" is as stupid (in the literal sense) as a dog chasing its tail: an idea or behavior exists and is to be left alone according to the principle of tolerance and freedom, but mandating that they be left alone is itself forbidding a thought process or course of action and that restriction is itself an infringement upon the original idea of freedom of thought and action. To quote Dr. No, (from the James Bond movie of the same name) "East, West [are] just points of the compass, each as stupid as the other."

But more to the point, I wasn't concluding that something or someone should be hated instead of paintball, but the inherent hypocrisy illustrated in that it is apparently indefensible to bash other certain groups and activities but according to the current public mindset perfectly OK to bash paintballers and paintballing. We should point out that hypocrisy and see that it is addressed and remedied.

Now, is that easy enough to finally understand?
 

KillerOnion

Lord of the Ringtones
It was just a comparison

TJ and Manning, you both see my point except for the aspect that in I was using examples that just happen to not be hypothetical, but current sacred cows that I don't particularly subscribe to as being sacred at all.

Granted that this is text form and you can't exactly tell the degree of semi-facetiousness (sp?) behind it, you sort of took that the wrong way. But it even furthers my point: you dare not even step within a 50 foot circle of insulting (jokingly, rhetorically, for the sake of arguement as in this case, or otherwise) certain designated things or ideas because at the time they are protected according to current fashion of thought, and automatically have some kind of alarms going off in your head when someone else does. Of particular interest in such point is that those rushing to the defense of groups mentioned are not members of said groups (I'm guessing on that), but have unwittingly become their puppets or trained attack dogs because the commonly accepted thought wavelength of the masses tells them they should. How sad. The same people that display "Question Authority" and various "anarchy" bumper stickers and seemingly strive daily to live according to some form of nonconformism themselves don't even question the current status quo and in turn conform to the supposed nonconformity.

In short, to attack my ideas thinking by doing such to promote tolerance of other ideas is itself no less intolerance of ideas. The concept of "tolerance" and "open mindedness" is as stupid (in the literal sense) as a dog chasing its tail: an idea or behavior exists and is to be left alone according to the principle of tolerance and freedom, but mandating that they be left alone is itself forbidding a thought process or course of action and that restriction is itself an infringement upon the original idea of freedom of thought and action. To quote Dr. No, (from the James Bond movie of the same name) "East, West [are] just points of the compass, each as stupid as the other."

But more to the point, I wasn't concluding that something or someone should be hated instead of paintball, but the inherent hypocrisy illustrated in that it is apparently indefensible to bash other certain groups and activities but according to the current public mindset perfectly OK to bash paintballers and paintballing in the same manner that they condemn. We should point out that hypocrisy and see that it is addressed and remedied.

Now, is that easy enough to finally understand?
 

TJ 2

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Dude, no-one missed your point, you're missing the plain simple fact that what you wrote - tongue in cheek or not - could have been offensive and also cast the board - and by association Paintball - in a bad light. You are smart enough, as you have shown, to argue a case without resorting to 'examples', so why do it? You don't need to.

And befoire you start gushing about us toeing the line, not questioning authority, being PC lapdogs, yadda yadda yadda, step away from the social theory and ask one question: could what you posted have deeply offended or upset some viewers? Answer, yes. Was it necessary to upset anyone to prove your point? Answer, no.

Now, if I may steal your incredibly patronising end line, is that easy enough to finally understand?
 

TJ 2

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And while I'm on a roll, did it ever cross your mind that people may rush to defend these groups because they actually find it obscene that they are attacked because of sexuality/color/religion?

Just cos it may be PC, doesn't stop some of us from feeling strongly that minority groups don't deserve to be used as whipping boys.

Peace.
 

Manning26

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Onion, I didn't get to see your post, I've only gotten the scraps from you and TJ, so there's not any more that I can say. I don't know how far you took it, so a lecture from anyone but him would come out of ignorance. As far as us being too PC, would you begin to use the "N" word to desribe our black friends on the forum? Probably not, so tell me the difference. I don't see it as PC, it's called being considerate.