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Wondering if anyone watched NBC's thing about the kid bringing a gun to school. First, they try to trash video games for their violent image. Then, afterwards they say "And he played paintball, too" Seems like the media is trying to say paintball is some evil in itself. Too pissed at media to type.
 

Mr Big

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video games have a far greater effect on kids, are way more violent, and get much more bad press than Paintball, but they will never be banned because they are big business and affect a large sector of the economy. Paintball in comparison is a marginal industry and would therefore be perceived as no great loss to a country's economy. It does not have the power as yet to soak up public blows like this.

If the government decided to ban the sport because some kid took a gun into school, they could and would. Why? Because at the moment we're an easy target. The only way we can strengthen our position is to work with the media and get more positive public recognition. We need to be more accessible.
 

Mador

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this sport has been misalignned in the press.....WHY?....we continue to improve the sport to the masses........co-orporate events take place around all our countries that involve a rec day....but still we are percieved as evil??.........this double standard baffles me.

As a sport we stad on the brink of international recognition......but some small minded hack has the right to 'dis us so much that our sport is abused...

We as a group have got to stand up and let our feelings known.....if the big corps's will take their execs out for a day with us.......what is the problem??

Mador
 
Onion, You wrote: Homosexuality for example is totally vile...they are "butt burglers"

You then wrote: The press are the ones being prejudiced, intolerant, and hateful.

I've read many of your postings and I thought you were waaaaaaaay smarter than that. Guess I was wrong...
 

ciaran.mooney

Ich bin ein Berliner!
Dont think paintball will be ever classed as a fully fledged sport - i.e. football, because we rely on a small bit of technology to play. Our markers, without them there is no paintball. Sports like football, tennis, hockey are mostly the players skill with use of a simple tool.

You have to realise that sometimes you are only as good as your marker (i do know that "the gun doesnt make the player") but if you are playing with a pump gun, you cant really snap shoot better than a player with a semi?
Other sports dont have this, a football is a football, your skill is what gives you the advantage, if the football is flat everyone is in the same position.

Whoops! Sorry that aint the discussion!

The media see paintball as "violent" because we use markers that bear a striking resemblance to guns - no argument there? Thats just gets us stereotyped as maniacs that like shoot people, even if it is just paint.
With the advent of "Sup'air" and proper tournaments I think that we should start to lose this image because a Sup'air field doesn't look at all aggressive, does it? Big, coloured, air filled blobs?
 

Manning26

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Mooney is right, we all know that the problem is that we use guns, and our targets are people. It's that simple. The obvious answer is just to shoot our detractors with real guns...HOOHAHAHAHA!!! Yeah, that's the problem, but I don't have a solution. I agree sup' air is a step forward, and I truly hope someday our pro's will be REAL (y' know gettin' payed and all). By the way Mooney, snapshooting is about all you can do in a pump vs. semi scenario, since snapshooting involves shooting two balls at the most and pulling back in. Having your back players with pumps is a different story. Take care all.:)
 

Tyger

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Originally posted by ciaran.mooney
Dont think paintball will be ever classed as a fully fledged sport - i.e. football, because we rely on a small bit of technology to play. Our markers, without them there is no paintball. Sports like football, tennis, hockey are mostly the players skill with use of a simple tool.
You neve rplayed tennis, did you? :)

All sports are toucend by technology in one way or the other. Don't talk to be about golf clubs, tennis rackets, hockey sticks, baseball bats, or even football pads not having been touched by technology.

Even football cleats are technology based. So paintball is no diffrent as a technology sport than regatta racing is. Now there's a tech sport! Sails, keels, specially painted hulls.... yeah...

Paintball needs to get organised as a sport before it can be considered a sport. It's really that simple.

-Tyger
 

ciaran.mooney

Ich bin ein Berliner!
Ok you caught me out on the racing one - ill give you that :)

But If you look at a golf club, its a stick of metal - maybe a well crafted one but still metal (or wood), look at a tennis racket its a frame with wire/string weaved in the middle.

Look at a paintball gun - its a complex machine, with many different parts.

It is like a psycological thing for something to be a sport it has to be simple - and i dont think paintball is *that* simple. I dont really care too much if paintball comes a sport or not, i think it is treated as a sport by its players and so we get a good service from trounaments - That are enjoyable. Maybe its not as popular as football or other sports but we like playing and isnt that all that matters? And other people are free to play we dont turn them away or discourage them, and if paintball becomes more popular as a result .... so be it.
 

KillerOnion

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Ok TJ, I probably should have used a better example for comparison, but cmon that wasn't worth deleting the whole post. That was a solid point and it saddens me that you would totally abandon it based on small portions of the content. Yeah, snip out the stuff that you find objectionable, but at least leave the essence to be read for the rest of that. You no doubt should have the capacity to appreciate that.

Not "smarter than that?" :confused: I don't bow to political correctness, nor should anyone. You illustrate my point better than even I did, in that you obviously buy into social and political rhetoric and let it bend your speech to accomodate their exerted pressure. If in fact any reader of this board or anywhere actually believes in sanitized speech strewn with euphemisms, half-called back ideas, and pandering, then I not only feel sorry for them in their downtrodden plight in the world but also that they have little to of themselves left to look upon with any self respect. Integrity is the abscence of discrepancy between publicly expressed views and the values within your own conscience.

To put it in simpler terms for those reading this post in a hurry, THOSE WHO ARE CONCERNED WITH BEING POLITITCALLY CORRECT NEED TO GET A SPINE. The essence of the post that was deleted, for those who didn't see it and were robbed of the thought enrichment that it provided, I shall present below:

The reason that paintball continues to be bashed without any mercy is that we are only weakly defensive, not strongly defensive and not even a hope of going on the offense. We are given the reason for such is that we are a minority. However, numerous small and often frivalous causes are exponentially more vocal and aggressive and carry huge political clout---and more to the point no one would dare speak ill of them, no matter how noisy, obnoxious, or outrightly wrong they may be. ANY CAUSE. ANY DISABILITY. ANY ETHNICITY. ANY RELIGION OTHER THAN CHRISTIANITY. ANYTHING THAT ISN'T HATED BY LIBERALS. If you joke on them you're considered a bigot, racist, sexist, insensitive, radical, or whatever. Why? Because they said so. They wrote the vocabularly, and the public (yes, some of you) swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. No one questions it, and for damn sure never turns the question around to point it right back at them "Who the hell asked YOU anyway?"

Why the heck don't we take that stance? We are a group of people that get worse press than ______________ (insert villain of choice here), merely upon the whim of the liberal press, AND DON'T DO A THING ABOUT IT. Yes, scarcely a thing compared to protests, preachers speaking in public, boycotts, marches, editorials, referendums, and all the various other means that get causes on the news, in the minds of people, and accepted. Any other group of people in this country would sue the news for printing what they print about paintball and aggressively push laws guaranteeing our rights to play and express identity with our pastime instead of cowering in a corner and begging for them not to be taken away.
 

TJ 2

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Dude, check the moderator list - this ain't my forum and I ain't got the power to take posts off of it.

My point was simple, it's inconsistent for you to blast people for being prejudiced and intolerant when you're doing the same thing yourself. That was what the 'not smarter' reference was regarding - your own inconsistency.

Me? I practise what I preach...black, white, straight, gay, Christian, Satanist, whatever, I don't care. They are two kinds of people (and music, for that matter) - good and bad.

The Gospel according to St. TJ...