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Buddha 3

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This looks like it is getting into one of them things so i am leaving it now...

1)How do you know the rents are cheaper over there to hear ?????

For a bog standard warehouse with 50,000 sqf you are looking at 30,000 plus to rent it and that with a 3 year minimum lease.

2)The russians have a unlimited budget so it doesn't matter what they do...

3)But if it meant that it would be3 cheaper to use reballs than paint i know that Sergei is a business man so it would make sense for him to switch to them ?????

Joy have got to wear they are from dedication and training yes with reballs
but joy have been together for a long time and i would but there winning down to just reballs...

what i know about paintball to robbo and maybe your self is nothing so i bow out but i think it is wrong to compare us to Belgium because they use more reballs.
1) I've lived in the UK. I do a lot of business with Belgium and am quite aware of what costs what there...

2) Exactly. So why did you bring them into the equasion in the first place?

3) Not per se. Yes it would be cheaper for them to use reballs probably, but given their budget it's probably not a saving they need to make. If you got money to burn, well, you can burn some money.

What was so different about what Baca posted? Or did you not see that what he posted was the implication of this thread already?
Not having a dig at you with the answers I posted here mate, I know you NQ boys are really busy with working on getting better and you guys take things seriously. I just thought it was obvious that when a country that's a LOT smaller than the UK, with an equally small PB community, buys more Reballs, which are an obvious training tool, seems to take things very serious as well.

Having said that, Reballs off course aren't the only thing that you can do to improve your game, but given that many people complain about money here, they seem the obvious answer. Sure, there is an initial investment, as you would need a snapbox too if you'd wish to train at home or similar, but this would be earned back in no time by the savings on paint. If paintball were still my main focus, I'd be sleeping in one. :D
 

Buddha 3

Hamfist McPunchalot
Robbo - I don't think the sale of Reballs in the UK is indicative of the amount of "seriousness" for training we have over here. I just don't think the idea of Reballs has caught on here. Thats the bottom line to me. The question is, why?

Syd, good post, but I don't fully agree with this.
Part of the problem seems to be that many people seem to THINK that they take things seriously, and probably put in a lot of effort. A lot of this effort seems to be wasted though. (though not intentionally)
If you can't spot the obvious things that would imrpove your training and game, how serious can you claim to be?
 

mdking

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chuck you are correct...

We have had the reball centre for most of the year... We use it nearly every weekend. As the winter months come in now, its going to be great.

No need to worry about the weather etc... 9hrs full training (could do even more if need be in a day)

We think reball is a great way of training, we have gained alot from using it.... :)
 

Syd (NSPL)

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chuck you are correct...

We have had the reball centre for most of the year... We use it nearly every weekend. As the winter months come in now, its going to be great.

No need to worry about the weather etc... 9hrs full training (could do even more if need be in a day)

We think reball is a great way of training, we have gained alot from using it.... :)
Mdking - First off, props to you and your team for your motivation and efforts. Can I make a request? Tell me no if you like, but I think it would be a great idea if you let the community on here know how you went about setting your reball training centre up, where you ordered the reballs from, how much it costs, what kind of drills you do, and so on.

Now I appreciate you may not want to disclose some of the things I've asked for. But part of the solution to improving the way UK teams train and ultimately improving competition paintball in the UK has to be a willingness to share best practice in a public environment like this and get people actually thinking about the options available to them.

That also answers Buddha 3's reply to myself as well. If we are a bit slow on the uptake as a community in UK with the benefits of Reballs in training, let's educate the community and see if we can't make some improvements that way. It is worth leading the horse to water - but I can't guarantee it will drink! :rolleyes:
 

Robbo

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Robbo - I don't think the sale of Reballs in the UK is indicative of the amount of "seriousness" for training we have over here. I just don't think the idea of Reballs has caught on here. Thats the bottom line to me. The question is, why?

I think we both know the reason why Syd, I mean, the benefits of practicing with them are not exactly a difficult concept to grasp and so if there isn't a significant uptake, it's because people (our tournament demographic) have decided not to use them and the reasons for choosing that direction can be seen in many places on this forum.

Whilst the use of Reballs isn't the definitive indicator to the mentality of a demographic, it's non use certainly does imply a degree of indifference because nobody can attribute that lack of uptake to not appreciating the potential of their use.
 

Dusty

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Whilst the use of Reballs isn't the definitive indicator to the mentality of a demographic, it's non use certainly does imply a degree of indifference because nobody can attribute that lack of uptake to not appreciating the potential of their use.
I am so proud, I very nearly understood that.

anyway, Escarmouche are not using reballs do to the intial investment costs and a lack of places willing to allow us the use of their facilities.

However we are continuing with indoor training at least once a fortnight over the winter months. in some cases once a week. Not exactly pro standards, but at the same time not bad for a bunch of people who all work full time.

I realise that reballs would indeed save us a fortune in paint, however the indoor facility we have is not exactly reball friendly with a floor covered in wood chippings, and with little choice as to where we can go what else can we do?
 

Robbo

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You say that belgium use more reball's then us do they use as much paint as us ????????

we have tried the reball thing didn't work fieball had to close down within the year....

Maybe some one else will try it you never know.

Plus the this is one of the most expensive places to live in the world there rents might be cheaper than ours because i know for a fact than warehouse rent is very expensive maybe there;s is cheaper than ours.

I am sorry but i cant see some one putting that much cost in to some thing that will give them no return. if there was some one would have done it by now.....

But hey maybe i am wrong but we need to look at things in house before we start comparing ourselves to over countries....

We have 4 pro teams in the cpl which is more than any other country i am proud of that we just need to work on our own thing before we start chasing the for the moon.
Markie, let me explain something mate, not that long ago, the UK was the preemeinent nation in Europe, with teams like Preds, NWC, Shock etc, we basically ruled the roost this side of the Atlantic.

Those times are gone, and like everything else in this world we live in, there's a reason for our decline.
To get a handle on that decline we have to take a look at ourselves in a relative sense, that is, to compare ourselves with nations that were previously behind us in terms of development and look at what they are doing, as well as, looking at what we are doing.

In this way, we can work out the underlying dynamics of what's really going on.
It is true we have to sort our own house out, I have never advocated anything different but we need to have a handle on the scale and nature of the problem, and to get that handle, we have to effect a relative analysis ie look at other nations when compared to ours.
When countries such as Belgium, who ain't exactly recognized as a hotbed of paintball are buying more Reballs than us, it tells me at least, they are approaching the problem of training a little more seriously than us.
The use of Reballs is symptomatic of a mindset, it's not the be all and end all of training, I ahve never said it was, it's merely a tool, something teams use to help itself along.

Personally, I do not need any more data concerning the UK, I already know what our problem is and where the answers lay, I have posted both up here in the past.
But what I don't like seeing is, flag waving idealism that pitches UK ball in a place it just doesn't inhabit.

Nobody wants us to get out this rut more than me Markie, trust me on that, and if this situation shames us into being more conscientious, then so be it.
I don't care what ends up motivating us over here, as long as we at least start to want something better for ourselves.
We need to want it Mikey, and I mean really want it, not just talk about it, not just post on threads, I mean train, and train hard.
Reballs is a way you can achieve improvement that saves you money and pays dividends and if Magued calls me up and tells me, 'Hey Pete, we got a bunch of UK people all wanting to buy them', I would know immediately that perhaps we got some people wanting to change the way things are.

For all the protestations and posts that like to suggest otherwise, at the moment, I can't see anything significant.