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Nick, if Danish women are easier than swedish ones I doubt I could get into the airport without having my clothes ripped off. I have NEVER met easier girls than the swedes - how exciting!! Then again, if Goose found them easy, they may not be the calibre of scando-babe I am looking for...

Do you guys think there is anything in it for the NPPL to put the NXL at the super 7 events? How much $$ do you think Richmond would have to part with to make that happen?
A gazzillion dollars?
The shooting in the head thing sounds interesting though....
 

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So enlighten us... what is "the way things are going in pomona"?

Are you seriously suggesting that the NXL owners are going to swallow their pride and work with the NPPL/Pure Promotions folks?

Have you ever met an NXL owner? I think they'd rather shoot themselves in the head.
1. Registration is low.

2. Five player is all but dead. There weren't even enough teams to have Friday prelims.

3. Vendors aren't showing a very big presence...INCLUDING those that support XBall and the NXL.

4. If the only thing the PSP has left is the NXL and the XBall format, then what do they need PSP for? PSP doesn't own the XBall format, nor do they own the NXL.

5. Several key people no longer work for PSP.

6. The NXL and the XBall format are going to go where they think they need to go to become more popular. Pride has nothing to do with it. Don't you think if you threw a lot of money into a franchising fee and put up a lot of money into building a team that you would want to go where you're going to make your money back?

7. Hendsch broke away from the PSP, why wouldn't Italia?

8. Don't even get me started on the issues with the 15BPS cap.

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The more posts I read from you,the more I'm convinced you just don't like PSP.

Originally posted by PaintballChannel
1. Registration is low.
Compared to what? REgistration is fine, exactly where you'd expect it to be for PSP LA, given historical attendence. also themost teams in an X-Ball event ever.

2. Five player is all but dead. There weren't even enough teams to have Friday prelims.
See above. 5-man was even MORE dead at LA last year. IF more teams are playing this year, that looks morelike a recovery to me.

3. Vendors aren't showing a very big presence...INCLUDING those that support XBall and the NXL.
Don't know about this one.

4. If the only thing the PSP has left is the NXL and the XBall format, then what do they need PSP for? PSP doesn't own the XBall format, nor do they own the NXL.
Arn't you running an event this summer? You should know the answer to this. Well, boh answers:

1: The owners of the NXL are substantially the same as the owners of PSP.

2: Vendors at PSP events make a ton of money selling stuff. Especially at cup. Think of PSP as a nice loss leader.

And, of course, you assume that "The only thing PSP has is X-Ball". They may not have as much flash as NPPL, but there's plenty of substance there.

5. Several key people no longer work for PSP.
Name one. People who worked for PSP last year:

Lane
Rosie
LD

With APPA doing registration.

This year:

Lane
Rosie
LD
Keely

With APPA doing registration.

6. The NXL and the XBall format are going to go where they think they need to go to become more popular. Pride has nothing to do with it. Don't you think if you threw a lot of money into a franchising fee and put up a lot of money into building a team that you would want to go where you're going to make your money back?
And NPPL would do that for NXL how...? NXL doesn't stand to gain any more money by being at NPPL events. In fact, their costs would go up, as what used to be free (space at the event) now costs money. NPPL would have to charge $40,000 to NXL just to break even on the loss of field space. NXL gets to set up at PSP for free. The players don't cost less if they pay at NPPL vs. PSP, the paint doesn't cost less, so what does NXL get?

NXL's revenue plan has almost nothing to do with location of the events. They just need to play until bigger TV revenue comes. Playig at NPPL events, who are competing for those same TV dollars, is counterproductive to their long-term goal.

7. Hendsch broke away from the PSP, why wouldn't Italia?
Because Italia only owns one 10th of X-Ball - that's the whole purpose of afranchise system. Even if Italia owned all of it, he needs those other 9 owners to subsidize the NXL's expenses until it becomes profitable. It's not self-sufficient yet by any means. Chuck was only able to leave PSP because WDP was there to foot the bill in the short term; in the long term, NPPL is actually profitable (well, NPPL/Pure Promotions themselves lose money, but WDP makes it back other ways.)

8. Don't even get me started on the issues with the 15BPS cap.
Like what? Been three days so far, and I have not seen one complaint from players. Given that they're already bitchign about a buncha other stuff, it would seem the 15 bps is working out ok.

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More? Any would be good.
 

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1: The owners of the NXL are substantially the same as the owners of PSP.
The NXL and PSP are two different entities.

Vendors at PSP events make a ton of money selling stuff. Especially at cup. Think of PSP as a nice loss leader.
I was at last years World Cup, heard nothing but complaints from the vendors.

And, of course, you assume that "The only thing PSP has is X-Ball". They may not have as much flash as NPPL, but there's plenty of substance there.
Can you tell me what else they have? 10 Man is gone, 5 Man is going away. What's left? Have they got an ace up their sleeve that I don't know about?

This year:

Lane
Rosie
LD
Keely

With APPA doing registration.
You may want to recheck and see who's still working there.

Because Italia only owns one 10th of X-Ball - that's the whole purpose of afranchise system.
Italia owns the rights to the XBall format.

Like what? Been three days so far, and I have not seen one complaint from players. Given that they're already bitchign about a buncha other stuff, it would seem the 15 bps is working out ok.
I'll reserve comment here til after the tournament.

I'll also hold my "Told ya so!" til a later date.
 

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Originally posted by PaintballChannel
The NXL and PSP are two different entities.
So are NPPL, Pure Promotions and WDP. Legally. In practice, not so much.

I was at last years World Cup, heard nothing but complaints from the vendors.
Indeed, the vendor setup last year stunk, and a lot of the smaller vendors were very not happy about it.

Can you tell me what else they have? 10 Man is gone, 5 Man is going away. What's left? Have they got an ace up their sleeve that I don't know about?
What do you mean, what else? What more do they need? Jacuzis? Hot Air Balloon rides? It's a paintball tournament, they've got fields and refs. What does NPPL have that PSP doesn't, at least that would matter to the NXL?

You may want to recheck and see who's still working there.
Lane, Rosie, LD and Keely. That's one more than last year. Lane, Rosie and LD were the only people who worked for PSP last year, unless you count people like grounds crew and head refs.

Italia owns the rights to the XBall format.
No. Richmond owns the rights to the NAME "X-Ball". Unless it got passed to National as part of that whole deal. Anybody can play X-Ball without any interference from Richmond, unless they actually want to call it X-Ball.

And, even if Richmond DID own the rights to the format, who cares? You have a severe misunderstanding regarding what the NXL is selling. It's not the format. Nobody watching TV cares that the format is X-Ball - another format could be easily substituted. What the NXL is selling is that people BELEIVE the NXL is the (or one of the) major paintball pro leagues, where all the best players play.

NPPL does a lot of things better than PSP does. I don't think, as far as ACTUALLY PLAYING PAINTBALL, NPPL is really any better than PSP is, although I concede that to be a matter of preference/opinion. Either way, I think this PSP doomsdaying looks a lot more like a reflection of personal opinion/bias than it does an actual reflection of the facts.

NPPL is up, but I don't think PSP is anywhere near out.