Niall, dead box?

[QuikSilver]

Well if we want paintball to be a sport it has to have the look of a sport. Every single sport on the planet allows the team to watch the game while they are not participating. Football, soccer, baseball, cow **** tossing, billards, EVERYTHING.

Now then you have paintball where the team has to close their eyes.

 

[Minnow]

Everyone seems very quick to criticise Blind dead zones yet no one has a better answer to the problem.

Comparing Paintball to any other sport is Tosh ... If you shout to your team mate to hit a home run in a baseball match is he any more likely to hit it ? If you shout look out for the mugger on the right is your team mate more likely to shoot him out ?

There is no denying that dead player participation/arguing is definately a problem that even the best/harshest marshalls are hard pushed to cope with.

By not utilising the blind dead boxes an element of trust is placed on those dead players to be sporting and not to hinder the game or distract the marshalls .... Do you trust EVERY team not to push the rules to give them an edge over your team ?



Minnow
Team Bouja.

 

[loginnut]

Great discussion so far. But what happens when extras coach from sidelines. Unless total silence exists coaching from sidelines even spectators is going to happen periodically. If you want to watch the game and participate and cheer, I'm all for it. Though I have my doubts on this, I want to see how it works out before I reach a conclusion on it. Actually as more spectators are their the more noise the better it drowns out any information thats being passed. I'm for staying a certain distance away from the netting as being to close to netting is a safety hazard itself.

Personally I'm against netting boxes I prefer tinted glass (actually a plastic of some sort would be more appropriate) or another material which would prevent any hand or physical signals from happening. I prefer that players in the dead box abide by the rules of poker dead silence. One word and I mean one sound, signal or gesture pull two players that are farthest on the field.

But the problem with this is as Niall pointed out the information whatever it was already could have changed the course of that game. Until we place the players in a soundproof box this is the only solution that allows judges to maybe prevent information from being passed quickly onto the field. Its difficult to tell your team what to do if you have to look around a object for a couple seconds without being noticed.

 

[goose]

Couple of things...

Minnow...
The obvious solution is - as I have stated before - having tough enough penalties and refs with the balls to enforce them. Would you even think of leaving the dead zone (which I do believe should be kept at the back) if you knew that you could encur an automatic -50 pts or a one game suspension so your team would have to play 6 on 7 to start?? But again I say this again THE RULES HAVE TO BE ENFORCED.

Loginnut...
Good idea with the "tinted windows" kinda like the one way police mirrors huh??

Everyone...
How many times do we as players miss what one of out teammates is yelling at us - from the next barricade over or behind - so getting directions from the deadzone at the back of the field would be kinda hard. Even the most inexperienced reffing crews would be able to pick up on the yelling.

So we have solved the problems about letting dead players watch - rules with bite and a one way plastic glass at the back of the field - so what next?? Will the tournament organizers do anything about it?? Time will tell.


goose

 

[NIALL]

Goose,

Fine ideas in principle my friend, but the problem at present is the implementation of them. Quite simply at the moment the infrastrucure of the series will not support that level of change now. Why??

We have some great refs in the series and others that are not so hot. Some which would never be bullied, and others who would cry if Lasoya said boo! We are working on creating an independent body of marshals that will work the series, but this cannot happen overnight. Until we have all judges meeting the same level of expertise we have to help them do their job to the best of their ability. At this moment that means excluding dead players from the game. This won't be forever, but a stopgap solution to a problem which is killing the game.

Will look into the mirrored glass though.

Your friendly neighbourhood Tournament Organiser

Niall

 

[Justin(Thunder)]

I too like the idea of "one way barriers", I guess it wouldn't be that hard to do with some sheets of perspex and the sticky backed plastic stuff they use on the back windows of vans so u can't see it.

Personaly I think if your gonna go for netting it kinda defeats the object u might as well just mark the dead box on the ground.

I also think proffesional ref's is the way to go. Has anyone thought of using ref's from another sport? Something like Ice Hockey? The Ref's are used to working in groups, it's a fast game with action not always centered on the "puck" and the ref's are used to bollocking big blokes with sticks so I doubt a paintballer would intimdate them much.

Just my thoughts...

Justin (Thunder)

 

[thedog]

guys- take this problem by the balls, this not being able to watch the game is pathetic, have a rule that dead players cannot, without excuse speak at all- no matter what- if they do, take out the entire team, then surely no one would speak- we are going in the wrong direction when dead players cannot even watch the game. niall scrap this idea now, this tournament is being billed as a superb event, dont spoil it for the players who behave themselves,

 

[loginnut]

I think a reason for this decision also is towards the end of a game. As it typically allows marshalls to sort out problems with the player in question instead of the whole team. Generally for what its worth if we could trust every player we wouldn't need refs in the first place. That said I want refs watching the players still in the game and not to have to tell players to shut up.

To those who think these are important learning experiences, I agree some of the best games are played during these tournaments. However I think tournaments should be decided by a players on the field and not in the dead box.

But the question will the refs enforce this rule to all players and teams? This will actually make the difference if its just another rule or its something players will abide by.

 

[NIALL]

Please do not make this into a major issue, when it is not warranted. I've said why it has to be done in previous postings. No one is being punished. It has been used at the last two legs of the millennium series to great effect and complaints were minimal.

We will decide after the Max Masters. Until then blind dead boxes will stay.


Niall

PS It will be more than superb!!

 

[Manning26]

Niall, the Brits and Europeans seem to be so much further ahead in the reffing game than us Americans, I am jealous. I think that's why this has become a big issue, the Millenium series looks to be the trendsetter in this department, and everyone is trying to get behind you on it. Everything is looking so good so far, and we don't want to see it go off course. Good luck to you.