I used and APEX Elite for years... it shot brilliantly but the pump action was crap. If you were in an awkward spot or not holding the pump quite right, it would suddenly become very difficult to pump... especially if you needed to auto trigger.The new sterling does not seem to have the same awe about it that I remember, but then again I was also captivated by the Apex Elite back then. Now thats a real blast from the past. I remember seeing the anno camo STP'S around the local sites that I used to play at back in the day just before the semi auto' s started to take over but having said that I would regularly take on guys rocking early Tippmann 68 specials and F1 illustrator's et al with my Piranha LB and quite often come out on top, LOL.