New angel barrel thread (f.a.o Tom A poss)

[Ben Frain]

Originally posted by Beaker
...However, to me the adherance to a 3 tube design is their biggest albatross. Dump the 3rd tube, get a 9v in the grip, add cocker threads and wrap it all up in WDP marketting, build quality and feel and they'd have a winner.

Cocker threads and 9v's - and I don't want to hear any complaining

Or keep the three tube but loose the rotobreech and have a cut off top tube at the back (similar to Vikings etc) solenoid would have to move to one of the lower two tubes but perfectly 'do-able' I would think.

 

[Tom Allen]

Originally posted by Beaker
Hmmm...



However, to me the adherance to a 3 tube design is their biggest albatross. Dump the 3rd tube, get a 9v in the grip, add cocker threads and wrap it all up in WDP marketting, build quality and feel and they'd have a winner.

Cocker threads and 9v's - and I don't want to hear any complaining

When you pick up an Ego, timmy, ion, you see why the 3 tube design needs to be changed. I'm sure they have it all worked out, it just takes a bold move and perfection will be resumed.

 

[Beaker]

Originally posted by Ben Frain
Or keep the three tube but loose the rotobreech and have a cut off top tube at the back (similar to Vikings etc) solenoid would have to move to one of the lower two tubes but perfectly 'do-able' I would think.

Like it, although vikings suffered from bulky design, just for different reasons. The rotobreech predetermines certain other design features and also weight around the bolt area.

There is a lot of spare space / weight in the grip of Angels, as everything is up top in the tubes. This also makes Angels more top heavy than other guns, which is more a question of balance and feel than anything, but having the weight centered in the grip feels lighter.

Tom - I agree, but we'll see. They could have done it for the G7, but decided not to, they could have changed to cocker threads but decided not to. WDP are nothing if not individual

 

[Tom Allen]

I can see why they want to keep their products different to the rest, but i think it's the right time to change.
The weight saving alone, should define the need to change, that's before you think of the asthetics.

 

[John C]

Originally posted by Ben Frain
Or keep the three tube but loose the rotobreech and have a cut off top tube at the back (similar to Vikings etc) solenoid would have to move to one of the lower two tubes but perfectly 'do-able' I would think.

I dont agree, the rotobreech is the best thing the angel has going for it. It allows you to put the solenoid behind the bolt yet you can still remove the bolt easily.

If you lose the rotobreech then you have no choice but to lengthen the bolt and like many markers you would have dead space behind the bolt which not only is an inefficient use of space, it also looks crap.

It would be almost impossible to put the noid in the lower tube, its not a WDP thing to have air pipes inside the marker like the timmy, so they need a face to mount the noid onto (with the lp passages drilled into the body), you cant drill a mounting face like that inside a tube, because you need to get the tool in there.


Im with Tom and Beaker on this one. A two tube angel, keep the rotobreech, put the LPR back in the same tube as the valve and ram, or for an uber small gun, put the LPR in the grip.



One big problem with changing the design this radically is that aluminum comes in extrusions, and I imagine WDP still have a mile of the 3 tube pattern, so realistically they will continue producing a 3 tube until they run out of extrusion.

 

[Beaker]

Originally posted by John C
Im with Tom and Beaker on this one. A two tube angel, keep the rotobreech, put the LPR back in the same tube as the valve and ram, or for an uber small gun, put the LPR in the grip

Agree, Put the solenoide upright agian make it thinner, roto breech in front of it.

Move the ram and LPR to a tube directly underneath rather than off to the side, dump the 3rd tube.

I don't think it would take a stunning redesign, it's more jut bringing everything underneath each other rather than having the valve train off to the side.

 

[F3Z]

Well your all complaining about barrel threads here but you seem to have forgotten the major affenders all make there own barrels. Now im sure if i made barrels and needed to bump up sales is a great idea for them to (when releasing a new marker) create a new thread design. Bit more $ for the spending.

Hence suprised at ion using imp design, dm* series using same designs as both manufacturers are or started at least as barrel companies.

Its all about the $.

 

[EyeFellOva]

Well your all complaining about barrel threads here but you seem to have forgotten the major affenders all make there own barrels. Now im sure if i made barrels and needed to bump up sales is a great idea for them to (when releasing a new marker) create a new thread design. Bit more $ for the spending.

Hence suprised at ion using imp design, dm* series using same designs as both manufacturers are or started at least as barrel companies.

Its all about the $.

I agree, it's all about keeping barrel manufacturers in business! Most players I know have at least 2 markers and I'd say a lot of people have different brands (we're all whores! Admit it!!) that use different threads so we all need additional barrels/backs/kits etc.

If marker manufacturers all used a single standard thread, then companies like PMI, Dye, SP, etc. would all notice a drop in barrel sales as people with multiple markers would only need one kit. And at £35 per bore for UL barrel backs, that adds up.

I would love to see all manufacturers go to a single unified thread (cocker ) but as long as the barrel market is a profitable one I can't see it happening any time soon

 

[chrismrgn]

Move all markers and barrels to a completly new design then everyone would either have to buy new barrel sets or buy a converter thingy!! If only!!

I have to say i think a 2 tube angel, keeping their sexi designing would look awsome, they already shoot quickly enough, now its all about the feel and reducing its top-heavy-ness!

 

[Dark Stranger]

A little birdy tells me a two tube angel is in the pipeline. Im sure it will suffer teething problems being that it has taken wdp a long while to perfect the 3 tube design.

My advice;

1. Wait for the two tube to be released (guestimate £600-£700)

2. Wait a year for wdp to sort out any initial 'concerns'

4. Buy one and hope it uses a cocker thread. (They cannot use the weight saving excuse on a two tube marker (ego) as it is light enough for starters!!)