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New angel barrel thread (f.a.o Tom A poss)

Dskize

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right ive been told that people are making convertors for the new breed of angels (Mr Allen :) )so that you can use your old angel barrels with the new markers - this led me to think that im fookin sick of buying new ultralite backs and im buying an 06 speed so could somebody make me a convertor that will let me use my cocker thread ultralite backs on my new angel - surely this is possible as the same machining applies

anyone - i have money waiting.

ps . all markers should be cocker threaded - industry standard please - someone?
 

Dskize

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if you mean 'therapy' then its for a back up :D and i can still shoot faster with an angel than with my ego
 

Beaker

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Originally posted by Dskize
ps . all markers should be cocker threaded - industry standard please - someone?
Seconded, and other than SP and WDP they basically are for the high end guns and non Spyder budget guns.

I'm still pretty shocked that WDP have moved to a new barrel thread and not used the same change to go to cocker threads. Not sure of the logic on that one. Having cocker threads would have won them a lot of new friends I think.
 

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Originally posted by Dskize
if you mean 'therapy' then its for a back up :D and i can still shoot faster with an angel than with my ego

No theoropy is different...:0 (am aware of my rubbish spelling)

Aye but anyway cocker threads are probably the most widely used so why doesnt everyone just use them :(

Even SP with impulse and shocker threads...wtf.
 
Originally posted by Beaker
Seconded, and other than SP and WDP they basically are for the high end guns and non Spyder budget guns.

I'm still pretty shocked that WDP have moved to a new barrel thread and not used the same change to go to cocker threads. Not sure of the logic on that one. Having cocker threads would have won them a lot of new friends I think.
Yeah,

I reckon most of the people who have bought the new angels will get an adapter, which probably weighs alot more than the weight saved by milling.

I dont own a cocker, never have but I have 2 cocker barrels!!
 

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Beaker - this info, that was a response to a Angel user's email to WDP may be of interest to you and help you sleep a little better at night ;)

"The decision to change barrel thread has already taken place and was not taken lightly I can assure you. Our original design plan was to be able to reduce the size and weight of the Angel and at the same time also go to cocker threads during this size reduction process, however when our design team started to look at the removal of material from the body of the marker it soon became apparent that we would not be able to achieve what we wanted to if we changed to cocker threads, in fact we would not have been able to reduce the weight of the Angel at all if we had done this as we would have had to actually add material in some areas to incorporate cocker threads. The reason we wanted to reduce weight and size in the first place was because we had listened to what our customers were saying at tournaments, on various forums, in conversations, and e-mail correspondence with us, they wanted a smaller and lighter Angel. We understand people may have already got barrel kits with the old thread pattern and we also knew that no after market barrels would be available in this thread size. We did not want our customers not to have an alternative barrel option available at launch so we informed the barrel manufacturers such as DYE, Custom Products, Stiff, etc of this thread change several months in advance so they could have product available at the time of the guns launch so our customers should they require could purchase barrels of differing length and bore size without any delay ( DYE and Custom Products had product available at launch) , we also informed our own techs of this change as we knew that they would be wanting to produce a thread convertor to allow older style Angel barrels to be used on the new thread pattern by way of a convertor ( I think Ken/Performanceangel.com and Robert/fixmyangel.com actually have these arriving shortly if they don't already have them).
As a manufacturer you constantly try to improve your product. If things can be improved by change, then surely change is the correct way forward? The old barrel thread was dictating the size of the Angel to our designers. They were restricted due to the lead in shank on the original barrel thread as it dictated the length of the front section of the gun to us and no matter what we did with the guns internals, we could not reduce the length of the gun from the feed neck forwards. Changing the barrel thread to its new thread pattern has allowed us to remove material from the body of the marker, resulting in a reduction in both size and weight, and has also opend up new areas for our design team to work in that they did not have access to before. It was a necessary stage in the development and evolution of the Angel that will allow us to progress and develop the product further.

If you have any other questions on this matter please feel free to contact me I will be happy to answer them.

All the best,
Frazer Colley."
 

Tom Allen

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Originally posted by Dskize
right ive been told that people are making convertors for the new breed of angels (Mr Allen :) )so that you can use your old angel barrels with the new markers - this led me to think that im fookin sick of buying new ultralite backs and im buying an 06 speed so could somebody make me a convertor that will let me use my cocker thread ultralite backs on my new angel - surely this is possible as the same machining applies

anyone - i have money waiting.

ps . all markers should be cocker threaded - industry standard please - someone?
I don't see a problem making a few of those.
 

Beaker

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Hmmm...

I would have thought the change to cocker threads would have made it a much more accessible gun to the hoardes of timmy / cocker / DM / Ego owning kids. Now they look at an angel and go "yeah, but add $200 for barrels as well" and don't buy it.

Personally I think that between shaving a small weight saving and changing to cocker threads, I believe the cocker thread thing would have won them more friends, they obviously didn't...

As the thread is set further back it's pretty obvious that the next gen of Angels will have a much flatter front, with the LPR and valve moved back towards the feedneck.

However, to me the adherance to a 3 tube design is their biggest albatross. Dump the 3rd tube, get a 9v in the grip, add cocker threads and wrap it all up in WDP marketting, build quality and feel and they'd have a winner.

Cocker threads and 9v's - and I don't want to hear any complaining ;)
 

Dskize

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the perfect answer :) - i still have difficulty believing the official line but i am in no way implying it is not true and I personally would have put up with the small amount of extra weight rather than £100 on a new ultralite set - i think it will put people off rather than draw them to the new range but im sure WDP have a marketing department that know what there doing ,i only buy the things .

Tom - Where do I sign?