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Millennium Results and Ramping

jim

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With the Euro teams doing well in the Pro finals is it a case of ramping leveling the field of play or are all these drills that they're now running really the case for their success.
 

Red_Merkin

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I believe it's both:

The pro team in Europe are definatly getting better each year.

However, the Americans have been comming to Europe with thier cheater guns for years, and cleaning up. Now the playing field is more level, because everyone has access to guns that shoot way faster than a person can pull the trigger.


It acts as a leveler in whatever league you play for.

Novice players who normally couldn't walk the trigger, are now shooting ropes of paint, with either hand.
 

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Originally posted by jim
With the Euro teams doing well in the Pro finals is it a case of ramping leveling the field of play or are all these drills that they're now running really the case for their success.
Both probably, but:

- If i remember right, there was only 2 american teams playing Paris: XSV & Dynasty.
XSV 1. place again & Dynasty dropped one game in the quarter final, and missed the finals. They could have stumbled into the finals as team # 4, but since XSV and Syndicate drawed in the other pool:rolleyes: , they were out.......

And my personal opinion:
I also think some of the fields works as equaliser`s! There are way to many bunkers on most of them. It takes away a lot of the skills & teamwork you needed before to make moves etc. The Millenium field was the worst.
The finals in Paris must have been the most boring in a long time. Most of the time the players didn`t have a clue of how many & where the other players was located. And it definately did not create agressive playing.
Take away some of the bunkers!! Or is it because somebody wants to sell more bunkerkit`s :mad: Seams like every time the field designers send in their proposal, the Millenium series add more bunkers..............
 

manike

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Originally posted by Red_Merkin
I believe it's both:

The pro team in Europe are definatly getting better each year.

However, the Americans have been comming to Europe with thier cheater guns for years, and cleaning up. Now the playing field is more level, because everyone has access to guns that shoot way faster than a person can pull the trigger.
Agreed.

So by that, is ramping making paintball fairer?
 

Chicago

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Originally posted by manike
Agreed.

So by that, is ramping making paintball fairer?
If by fair you mean everyone has the same chance of winning, then yes.

Next year we should just make things simpler and take the entry fee and have a drawing for the prizes.
 

manike

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Originally posted by Chicago
If by fair you mean everyone has the same chance of winning, then yes.

Next year we should just make things simpler and take the entry fee and have a drawing for the prizes.
Will you make a rule on how people fold their entry ticket?
 

Chicago

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Originally posted by manike
Will you make a rule on how people fold their entry ticket?
All entry tickets must either be folded manually or by a lever-operated folding machine that folds no more than one entry per lever pull. If our robot finds that your entry fee was folded with a machine using a mode other than semi-auto-lever, your entry will be disqualified and you will be banned from further paintball entry fee drawings for a year.
 

Robbo

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Originally posted by Fat-Frank
Both probably, but:

- If i remember right, there was only 2 american teams playing Paris: XSV & Dynasty.
XSV 1. place again & Dynasty dropped one game in the quarter final, and missed the finals. They could have stumbled into the finals as team # 4, but since XSV and Syndicate drawed in the other pool:rolleyes: , they were out.......

And my personal opinion:
I also think some of the fields works as equaliser`s! There are way to many bunkers on most of them. It takes away a lot of the skills & teamwork you needed before to make moves etc. The Millenium field was the worst.
The finals in Paris must have been the most boring in a long time. Most of the time the players didn`t have a clue of how many & where the other players was located. And it definately did not create agressive playing.
Take away some of the bunkers!! Or is it because somebody wants to sell more bunkerkit`s :mad: Seams like every time the field designers send in their proposal, the Millenium series add more bunkers..............
Frank, the number of bunkers being used had absolutely nothing to do with anybody wanting to sell more of them, trust me on this one mate.
It has everything to do with the organizers trying to negate the lane shooting bore- fests that Paintball was being reduced to because of increased firepower.
That said, it would be interesting to see if the number of draws increased because of the increased number of bunkers, if it hasn't then I rest my case, if it has then I would blame the teams themselves for not having the balls to go for it, either way it seems to me to be a no-brainer.
Open fields are easier to lock down and therefore promotes negative play, increase the number of bunkers and it decreases the chances to lock down, it's an easy formula to understand and one that is undeniable in its basic form.

I seem to remember that in the early days of transition from pump to semi we had similar anomalous results, I also believe that this is exactly what we are seeing now but this time it is being complicated by the allowance of ramping.
Two factors that when combined can account for what we are seeing now, it will even out in time Frank.