Millennium entry fee up xx%

[Beaker]

You are right in that in the UK especially we hide all the taxes retail customer pay by selling at an all inclusive price, but those taxes are still charged. I believe those very taxes have been paid all along by the Millennium series and to separate the VAT element from the entry fee and imply they have never paid vat on entry fees is a very easy way to increase the entry fee and blame the vultures at the tax office for it.
It will all come out in the wash, and I may like a few others look stupid, and in this case I hope I do, but I doubt it.


Russ

I agree Russ.

If the Millennium were never charging VAT to the teams, then they also couldn't have claimed back the VAT from all their expenses (netting, hotels, supplies, etc etc)

So they are asking us to believe that they have never charged us VAT, but that they've also never claimed back for anything?

It'll be interesting to see their accounts at Companies House!

 

[Russell Smith]

So they are asking us to believe that they have never charged us VAT, but that they've also never claimed back for anything?

It'll be interesting to see their accounts at Companies House!

I am sure someone will check out those accounts and let us all know and at that point we will find out if they are just trying to scam the teams with a disguised entry fee hike, instead of just saying we need to increase fees to meet costs.
Hell those guys run a multi national business and deserve a fair profit for their work and nobody should have any concerns about that.
The issue that bothers me is are they lying to us to achieve it.
And the saddest thing about this..... no mater what comes out in the wash (if anything) teams will still pay there money over until they have a viable alternative, and at that point the MS could prove they are the best... or maybe not..

Russ

 

[Robbo]

Russ, I gotta say something here, the Millennium series, for better or for worse, agendas aside, are the best series in Europe.
I don't think there is any doubt about that, or put it this way, there shouldn't be.

They are the best for quite a few reasons not least of which is they are the biggest and of course, they do put on good tournament events.
I fully realize that everything is relative here and because the Millennium series has no effective competition, they can pretty much do what they like but I still maintain, they are the best out there ... in Europe at least.

I think the main problems they have are ones of consistency in terms of quality of tournament and also they suck big time at public relations, and I mean big time.
This last aspect of Millennium madness tends to undermine a lot of the good stuff they do and so a lot of people tend to get the wrong idea about them.

They also have a very real problem in the way they treat their vendors but that is for those guys to deal with, I'm just concerned at this point with the players and teams.

I do think a rival series would be a good thing for obvious reasons and this would tend to focus the Millennium Board's minds on the important aspects of running a league and that is treating its customers (player and vendor) in a less Draconian manner.
But after all this is said and done, there is no way I would entertain the idea they aren't the best series in Europe, they just need a fackin big kick up the ass sometimes, that's all.

 

[Russell Smith]

Russ, I gotta say something here, the Millennium series, for better or for worse, agendas aside, are the best series in Europe.

But after all this is said and done, there is no way I would entertain the idea they aren't the best series in Europe, they just need a fackin big kick up the ass sometimes, that's all.

Pete, I fully agree they are the best in Europe, with the experience they have they should be.
And I have never said they wasn't, but Europe is desperate and I believe ripe for another major series, if WDP decided to do in Europe what they did in the states (or someone else with their ability) players possibly wouldn't mind if the price was more than what is being asked by the Millennium.

I know they took a big hit in the pocket with the NPPL but with that off their back perhaps they may..............


Russ

 

[Robbo]

Pete, I fully agree they are the best in Europe, with the experience they have they should be.
And I have never said they wasn't, but Europe is desperate and I believe ripe for another major series, if WDP decided to do in Europe what they did in the states (or someone else with their ability) players possibly wouldn't mind if the price was more than what is being asked by the Millennium.

I know they took a big hit in the pocket with the NPPL but with that off their back perhaps they may..............


Russ

I don't think you are gonna be seeing WDP (Pure Promotions) venture into Europe mate, they will consolidate elsewhere ... they have however left us all with a legacy of just how a tournament should be run.
They set out their stall a long time ago with their first Hyperball tournament and went on to create the greatest benchmark of all, Huntington Beach, this will be their legacy to paintball.

However - Europe does need a new tournament series, this much is obvious if only to give the Millennium Board a kick up the ass because at the moment, they do seem to be acting with little thought for team or vendor.

For somebody to get involved in setting up a new series in Europe, a couple more 'things' have to fall into place and recent events Stateside have already indicated these 'things' are possible.

This next year will set the direction of paintball for a very long time and I look forward to the day when people wake up, just like they do every other day, but this one's different, everything has changed

We'll see what happens.

 

[MissyQ]

Definitely won't be seeing Pure Promotions doing anything in Europe, as it now belongs to the Pacific Group, but just like all your favorite super-heroes, when the chips are down, when tournament paintball needs a serious kick up the ass, when all seems pointless, futile and stale, and if you can find them, maybe we will see WDP re-enter the World of Paintball Event promotion one day.....


I pity the fool...

 

[Russell Smith]

Missy,

I didn't mention PP I said WDP, I realise to most they are the same entity, but I don't see dead people just yet........

As Pete says there is absolutely no doubt the quality of events they could put on if they so wish.

Russ

 

[Nick Brockdorff]

I don't think you are gonna be seeing WDP (Pure Promotions) venture into Europe mate, they will consolidate elsewhere

Wouldn't make much sense to try and compete with the MS, at a time when a market like the asian is on the verge of booming.... too little ROI in fighting a battle over Europe now when the upside is far greater elsewhere - unfortunately... it would be good for the Europ teams - like the battle in the US did the US teams good.

Nick

 

[Beaker]

Looking at the figures...

Perhaps some SPL teams might prefer to play in the US - the differences in entry fees is much smaller now

SPL costs - 8225€

NPPL Div1 $12250 which is 9450€

Could we see some Euro teams chose the US instead?

 

[Robbo]

If WDP did turn their attention to this side of the Atlantic it would provide Europe an alternative, and a much needed one at that because as Beaker has just flagged up, it's a sorry state of affairs when the Millennium have virtually priced themselves into a position whereby going to another continent to play becomes a viable alternative ..... think about that for a moment because it's extremely important.

WDP, if they decide to come into Europe will not take any prisoners and the promotional experience they have accumulated Stateside will serve them well should they decide to promote a new series within Europe.
Everybody knows that if they put on a tournament in Europe you are gonna get one helluva show for your money, these guys don't do things by halves.

I have heard of a certain figure (it could be way out) that was allegedly paid for PP / NPPL and if this is the case it certainly allows WDP to get behind their new marker in terms of promotion and marketing but would also free them up to attack 'other' markets ......

Maybes the Millennium Board should now start looking inwards instead of continually looking to shoot the messenger and I would start the process by sacking ulrich and then begin to get some outside perspectives.