millenium

[extremelimo]

Don't know if this is the right place, mods please feel free to move
What do people think of Millenium rules and marshal's, Ive played America(awesome refs and rules you can work with) Ive played Milleniums and would not travel to Europe again, America its about the game and players having fun, leave your shirts out,have a conversation with the refs and play hard. Millenium refs are not supposed to speak to you, dead players don't talk,no 2 colour hoppers,1 ID card only on lanyard, gun down on a paint check, it just goes on and on wheres the sport any more, maybe why alot of teams are looking elsewhere to play, look how many UK teams are not playing next year.
Perfect example my friend bought a new DM9 the book has a miss print on programing and some boards are also faulty, gun shoots over its cap he spends 3 minutes in the sin bin but gets to play the rest of the tourney,Millenium you get banned from the whole tourney for something thats not anything within your control.We had 2 players banned a couple of years ago at Campaign because the guns added a shot on the Virtue boards, not really a huge cheat, didnt win because of the guns,still went out with 5 players and made Sunday club. One marshall passed the gun then another had a go and banned them.These are my thoughts alone and just looking for other peoples feedback. We pay good money to travel to these events(Paris cost me £700) my hopper was banned after 3 games, it is custom painted from inside grey and red lightning, both colours are not paint colours and Ive played other Milleniums with it as well as everywhere else.UK event organiser please note tournys are getting less teams entering and banning the player for the day because his gun goes over by point 2 of a shot is not helping, give him a one game suspension, tell him to get the gun fixed.Why are we trying to impose more and more rules, this is why the smaller tournys are getting more popular, its about play hard but have fun. Shoot me down in flames if you want but I just want your feeback on paintball rules in geneneral

 

[Where's My Tractor?]

Totally agree Simon, Played HB a couple of years ago and the marshalling was a big plus. Came away actually having had a laugh with the marshalls, can't ever say that about a mill.

 

[Bngi]

Because when you pay alot of money you want to play on the same terms as everybody else. It's not supercomplicated to find out before a tournament and make sure that your gear is up to par with the rules and regulations. That is what you do in any serious sport before competing.

If you just want to go somewhere to play and have fun, there are loads of walk-ons all around the world that you can attend.

My guess is that the rules to follow whilst reffing is made to cover as many scenarios possible, to ensure that the reffing is consistant and to a lesser extent something that each ref can interpret in their own way.

Regarding US vs EU reffing, i totally disagree. The NXL has nice reffing, but the lower divisions isn't that different to the european(mill) refs. (which in no way is a compliment).

Also, I dont really think that people are "fleeing" the large events due to any of the reason you stated, it's all the other stuff.

 

[extremelimo]

Milenium

This is not a huge sport like in the USA, you could not survive playing the Milleniums alone, yes it does make for an even playing field, but please do you own a shot counter(I dont) when can I use one before going on the field, what Im saying lets all relax a bit, people in div 2 and 3 dont want to be banned before they start, the guy with the DM9 had just picked it up, was it his fault the book was wrong, no but at least he still got to play the rest of the tourney, what would you thoughts been if this had been you being banned through no fault of your own, I played masters the other week all day my gun passes, last game point 2 over, now I had not touched this so I still got a ban.
I just feel paintball rules are becoming oppressive, I play for enjoyment, I would not travel twice a year to America to play otherwise, all Im saying before this sport dies please inject what used to be there otherwise we will be left with just walk ons, look how many are going back to playing Big Games, 6 hours of paintball fun. This isnt World Cup, lets play and enjoy
Mr Bling

 

[danrandon]

I think those are fair points you have made. I know of a certain UK organiser thats makes rof counters available to players throughout the day if you need to check a marker, also they allow some leeway on the 12bps rule.

If you go out for the first game and your marker goes over you go out without a marker and then have time to turn it down and recheck it before the next game..... can't say fairer really.

I'd be pi$$ed if i spent a shed load of money going to a mills event to be banned for an indiscration (sp) which was beyond my control (DM9 manual issue) or for being pulled with a custom hopper.

There is nothing in the rules about custom painted hoppers only stickers.

Another stupid ruling i have come across is to do with barrel socks. I agree with having to carry it with you on field but i normally carry a second one on me as well (can't be too safe) but according to the rules i am carrying extra equipment which i'm not allowed to do and can actually forfit games or even be banned from the event. What rubbish!

just my 2p's worth

 

[JF21]

They check each marker prior to the match and as far as im aware the marker is just refused on field if found to go over at this point. So this is more linnet than the rule mentioned above. There has to be a set cut off point as otherwise people will push it to the maximum limit. For example last year the suggested bps was 15 with it rounded to the nearest whole number (so 15.4 was ok) and everyone set there markers to 15.4.

As for the barrel sock, have you ever been banned for carrying two or are you just assessing what is written in the rules and applying the penalty for it? The rule is obviously designed to generalize any equipment that could be used to cheat. (also don’t quote me on this but does it actually list the amount of barrel socks you are allowed or just list them as an item as if the latter is the case then I don’t see having two an issue, I cant say I have looked into this as I have never seen a need for multiple barrel socks.)
As for the loaders and stickers rules yer they are anal and personally don’t like them but you can see what they are trying to do, eliminate judging errors and mistakening hits, it’s the same with the penalty rules they are to reduce variation between reffs by making it black and white, if your hit and you play on it’s a penalty.

 

[danrandon]

They check each marker prior to the match and as far as im aware the marker is just refused on field if found to go over at this point. So this is more linnet than the rule mentioned above. There has to be a set cut off point as otherwise people will push it to the maximum limit. For example last year the suggested bps was 15 with it rounded to the nearest whole number (so 15.4 was ok) and everyone set there markers to 15.4.

As for the barrel sock, have you ever been banned for carrying two or are you just assessing what is written in the rules and applying the penalty for it? The rule is obviously designed to generalize any equipment that could be used to cheat. (also don’t quote me on this but does it actually list the amount of barrel socks you are allowed or just list them as an item as if the latter is the case then I don’t see having two an issue, I cant say I have looked into this as I have never seen a need for multiple barrel socks.)
As for the loaders and stickers rules yer they are anal and personally don’t like them but you can see what they are trying to do, eliminate judging errors and mistakening hits, it’s the same with the penalty rules they are to reduce variation between reffs by making it black and white, if your hit and you play on it’s a penalty.

I have actually been asked to not take more than one sock on field, otherwise my team would be penailised for it. I normally stick one in my pocket which i take of my marker and then tuck a spare under my second gog strap. The second is there in case of an emergancy so i can get to it quickly.

and when i questioned a ref who does cover mills events about it they said that it is an infrigment of the rules.

 

[onasilverbike]

The fact that some of the rules are applied differently on different fields has somewhat of a disorganised feel to it.
i.e. in Paris there were players with multiple stickers on their hoppers, stickers on their goggle systems and, possibly the worst offence, no ear protection on goggles, these all seemed to be OK with the refs on those fields. I too feel its overly harsh to ban a player for an event due to a technical rule infraction, the DM9 issue was occuring on more than one field at Cup and all the players I saw pulled for it were given major penalties (i.e. time in the box while their team started short handed for the points).

I think the current issues with Millenniums is that there is no precise current rule book, just an out of date one and some ammendments posted on the site. Rules that have ben relaxed are not clear etc.

I can't really see the need for extra barrel socks either, if you put it in your pocket and it stays there you are covered should you need to sock up at any point, if you loose it from your pocket you're eliminated anyway, so the fact that you have a second counting as illegal extra equipment when you have just illegally disposed of a piece of equipment doesn't really make it right.

 

[#29]

after playing the world cup div1,
and playing the cpl all year,

the reff's in the cpl are much better. i have no problems with the rules as it's the same for BOTH teams...
it seems to me the US game you can get away with a bit more.
the mill reff's to me are the best in the game. and i take my hat off to them.

 

[slam]

The mill rules are trying to remove the grey areas in reffing, that have always plagued paintball. Now I agree with Pete in the fact that a major overhaul of the rules is needed to make them current eg. to remove/ clarify the verbal rules that the organisers have allowed last season - the layers rule for one off the top of my head.

Now I agree most of the time paintball should be a laugh but if teams are spending so much on playing then surely they deserve a professional reffing crew who are there not to have a laugh as such but to do a job.