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Is Reunification still in the cards?

Robbo

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Pfft. Just put Jerry Braun back in charge of everything and all will be well.

Right? :eek:

As for the rest, my opinion means little in this August group, but I'll give it to you anyhow: As diverting as it is to read these debates regarding reunification, it's my opinion that outside investment is going to drive how things go within the sport, at least in the short term. The landscape is getting ready to change in a big way yet again, and this will have direct implications as the new people get settled in and take a hard look at what their investment in teams and tournaments is getting them. I think that they'll find the return lacking, and look elsewhere (or perhaps different methods) in investing their money and sponsorships.

Furthermore, I feel that this outside investment that thus far everyone seems to be willfully ignoring as a factor will also lead to one of the leagues going the way of the dodo bird. No names or organizations just yet, only because I don't know how heavily invested certain companies are invested in either of the two 'main' leagues.

But who knows...I'll stick to reporting the news and leave the rest to my betters.

Furbs, you may well stick to the facts and leave informed speculation for your 'betters' as you describe them but you have actually hinted at a few things there and done a bit of speculation yourself :)

I think I know what you are referring to as being the precursor to these changes but I am not aware of any white knight outside sponsor that could profoundly change the nature of our game on the back of this potential change.

If there is one, it can only be connected to the organisation and initiative you are hinting at but let's flesh this out a little because I think people may well get a little frustrated with all the 'hints' going on here and no real meat.
Well, that is if we are talking about the same thing here; if not, c'est la vie :)

Whilst the NPPL TV production was a quantum leap in terms of quality and created a positive reaction both within and outside of Paintball, the recent Smart Parts production seems to have taken the lead in that it has concentrated hard on the sporting nature of the production and tried to focus on the exciting and defining aspects of our game.

Things like close up shots of eliminations and bunker-runs etc and with 16 cameras churning out the footage, the editors were allegedly able to come up with some real kick-ass footage that quantum leap-frogged all previous productions.
The reaction from ESPN was extremely positive in that they offset some of the production expenditure SP had incurred in a financial gesture that may well have profound implications for Paintball world wide.
If this alleged gesture is true then it realigns my cynical side and opens up the possibility, leastwise in my head, that we might actually get on TV, I ain't holding my breath tho, well not until I have seen it anyway.

This see-saw world of Paintball we seem to be inhabiting at the moment is very frustrating for us, that's players and industry alike but for the parties involved, people like the NPPL, and PSP and the SPL guys, it must be a frikkin nightmare because soooo much is riding on everything.
If it goes well for you one minute, necessarily it then undermines the others; the pendulum swings back and emotions then polarise the other way as carpets are pulled and back balances flex...it's all a heady mixture of frustration and apprehension and nobody can see where it's gonna end up, least of all the people involved, which is pretty ironic really.

If an outside sponsor was waiting in the wings to see which league consolidated its position by securing a meaningful TV deal then they would have to sit and wait a little longer but I would think there are some nervous assses sitting on seats both sides of the league divide.
 

SteveD

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I think I remember someone once describing you as the Don Quixote of paintball (tilting at windmills) and I just wonder if you could stick that lance somewhere, I would have a pretty good guess whose ass it's gonna be directed up.
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Pete,

the devil IS in the detail. And it will all appear in my book someday, in which I WILL indulge my right to paint the picture the way I see it - AND the way I want it to be seen.

So far as the lance is concerned - it ain't getting stuck in that ass - Sancho would never be able to get it clean again...
 

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Pete,

the devil IS in the detail. And it will all appear in my book someday, in which I WILL indulge my right to paint the picture the way I see it - AND the way I want it to be seen.

So far as the lance is concerned - it ain't getting stuck in that ass - Sancho would never be able to get it clean again...

And you know you'd have to get it out quick lest he starts to charge you rent.....
 

SteveD

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If I could create a think tank to steer our sport and then give them complete control, I would have Baca, Chicago, Camille, Sergey and Dave YB as the fab five. I might even have Steve Davidson as a consultant to be called upon as and when, he has some great ideas and visions for our sport but he needs to be put on some sort of leash lest JB gets thrown to the wolves.
Thank you for the compliment. I do feel compelled however, to defend myself against the implication that I can't be reasonable when it comes to JB.

On the record are my numerous attempts at reconciliation between 1996 and 2000, including the offer to allow coca-cola usa to come in and sponsor a world cup in exchange for a demo event of the (now called X-Ball) format. (All I asked for was the space for the field...)

I definately have an issue here - but considering the fact that I was (and still am to some degree) the target of a vendetta following JB's failure to get me removed as NPPL secretary in '96, I think I am entitled to just a small amount of paranoia; that vendetta has cost me untold numbers of dollars, the loss of some business associates and comes back to bite me in the ass at least once every year when someone I'm trying to do business with raises one of JB's canards about me as a potential objection. Back in '96 there was a 1.5 inch file folder filled with faxes and emails from JB to the NPPL about me (all unsubstantiated bullcrap) and I can only imagine how large that file is today.

But, beyond all of that is my 23+ year history of breaking lances on those windmills Pete mentioned, the people I've worked with and the strides forward that have been made, often on my back, most usually done for the betterment of the sport and with no expectation of gain for myself. I try NOT to deal with personalities but with deeds. (Don't take it that I'm claiming selflessness here - my thought has always been that once things are on the right path, there would be room enough for everyone, including myself, to benefit).

Where JB has had good ideas, I have endorsed them and made no bones about it. Where things done were in my opinion detrimental, I've said so. Don't forget that I worked with the guy for almost 12 years. If I get vitriolic at times, just blame JB: he was the one who encouraged me to do so in the press all those years ago.....
 

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Pete,

I don't think that Furby was suggesting a white knight of sponsorship; I believe he was attempting to say that the well has been drying up and now its going to dry up faster.

It sounds as if you've got an inside line on the SPL thing, so far as the look is concerned.

They're still missing one MAJOR let here though - where's the promotion for the show? I've seen no commercials, no ads, no mailings, no nothing.

Anyone in TV will tell you that if you don't have that, phtttt!

You need the content, the production, the sponsors, the channel, the airtime and advertising. AND advertising.

Right now, I think the only people who know of this show are people in paintball.
 

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Pete,

I don't think that Furby was suggesting a white knight of sponsorship; I believe he was attempting to say that the well has been drying up and now its going to dry up faster.

It sounds as if you've got an inside line on the SPL thing, so far as the look is concerned.

They're still missing one MAJOR let here though - where's the promotion for the show? I've seen no commercials, no ads, no mailings, no nothing.

Anyone in TV will tell you that if you don't have that, phtttt!

You need the content, the production, the sponsors, the channel, the airtime and advertising. AND advertising.

Right now, I think the only people who know of this show are people in paintball.

I am aware of certain features of the program yes but also found out from another source what might turn out to be an even more significant move on behalf of ESPN which if true, could throw the proverbial cat among the pigeons.

Who knows Steve?
I am as skeptical as you are about such things and when TV has regular Paintball shows, and pros are getting paid living wages...then and only then will I believe it...until then, it's all rhetoric mate.
 

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Thank you for the compliment. I do feel compelled however, to defend myself against the implication that I can't be reasonable when it comes to JB.
The problem there, Steve, is that your definition of reasonable often does not match up with anyone else's definition of reasonable.

On the record are my numerous attempts at reconciliation between 1996 and 2000, including the offer to allow coca-cola usa to come in and sponsor a world cup in exchange for a demo event of the (now called X-Ball) format. (All I asked for was the space for the field...)
For starters, the USPL format *IS NOT XBALL*. That you continue to try and pretend that it is is proof positive that you, at times, are not reasonable at all. The USPL format had some good ideas. I was even thinking yesterday that the USPL format wouldn't be a bad starting point for a new paintball format in the event of reunification. But it is not, not, not XBall.

As for the whole Coke thing, you attempted to corner a major sponsor and then leverage that against everybody else in paintball to force them to use your format, which nobody wanted to use. Only an idiot would have helped you promote your format with the terms you had at the time.


I definately have an issue here - but considering the fact that I was (and still am to some degree) the target of a vendetta following JB's failure to get me removed as NPPL secretary in '96, I think I am entitled to just a small amount of paranoia; that vendetta has cost me untold numbers of dollars, the loss of some business associates and comes back to bite me in the ass at least once every year when someone I'm trying to do business with raises one of JB's canards about me as a potential objection. Back in '96 there was a 1.5 inch file folder filled with faxes and emails from JB to the NPPL about me (all unsubstantiated bullcrap) and I can only imagine how large that file is today.
Steve, this is nothing short of egomania. Jerry doesn't have the ability to influence anyone to think anything about you. Hell, most of the industry would consider Jerry not liking you to be an endorsement at this point.


But, beyond all of that is my 23+ year history of breaking lances on those windmills Pete mentioned, the people I've worked with and the strides forward that have been made, often on my back, most usually done for the betterment of the sport and with no expectation of gain for myself. I try NOT to deal with personalities but with deeds. (Don't take it that I'm claiming selflessness here - my thought has always been that once things are on the right path, there would be room enough for everyone, including myself, to benefit).
I object to your assertion of 'no expectation of gain for yourself', and I have the USPL franchise agreements to prove it.

Steve, I like you, you're a smart guy, but when it comes to your involvement in paintball history, you can get nothing short of delusional. The USPL format had some great ideas, but the way you positioned and marketed it assured that it would never be successful, and that had nothing to do with Jerry.
 

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Furbs, I'll pm you with what I got and you pm me with what you got :)
He's referring to the imminent purchase of PMI and National by an outside investment company that is unlikely to see the wisdom in dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars a year into pro paintball teams.