Info about SmartParts Nerve
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Getting on my nerves
The Nerve will have to have an in-built radar chronograph. I would be very suprised if the veolcity adjustment system isn't a mode you switch it to instead of standing by the chrono with an allen key. You just fire 5/6 shots until the green "You've been chronied" light lights up, you then switch it off and play.
The only safe alternative would be minute adjustments allowing the odd freak ball to not impact the marker much.
Can chronies keep up with high R.O.F? Would an inbuilt chronograph measure every 10 balls or every 5 seconds or something?
I should really write these down rather than telling everyone, was just thinking about designing a marker that self-adjusts. Then again I have always fancied designing a trigger system based on light rather than a microswitch, and then they made the e-blade could have made me some serious cash with a patent...
It will certaily be interesting to see how these babies work
Richard
Paintballers will never imporve
The Nerve will have to have an in-built radar chronograph. I would be very suprised if the veolcity adjustment system isn't a mode you switch it to instead of standing by the chrono with an allen key. You just fire 5/6 shots until the green "You've been chronied" light lights up, you then switch it off and play.
The only safe alternative would be minute adjustments allowing the odd freak ball to not impact the marker much.
Can chronies keep up with high R.O.F? Would an inbuilt chronograph measure every 10 balls or every 5 seconds or something?
I should really write these down rather than telling everyone, was just thinking about designing a marker that self-adjusts. Then again I have always fancied designing a trigger system based on light rather than a microswitch, and then they made the e-blade
could have made me some serious cash with a patent...It will certaily be interesting to see how these babies work
Richard
Getting on my nerves
I'm sure I can *think* faster than any marker on the market already...
Mebbe since it's called the "nerve" it will actually hook up directly to your central nervous system and it will be thought powered....Originally posted by Richard Kirke (DUPS Rocket) UK
Then again I have always fancied designing a trigger system based on light rather than a microswitch, and then they made the e-blade
It will certaily be interesting to see how these babies work
Richard
I'm sure I can *think* faster than any marker on the market already...
BINGOOO!!!
Flash-Bugout was the closest to the truth!
But let me tell you a little story forgotten long ago...
There was a company called PneuVentures Inc. (PVI) and there was two brothers by the name of Gardener, and their joint SmartParts pushing their stuff.
PVI designed a certain gun wich was at the time revolutionary and paved the way for the future. It was called the PVI Shocker and it was the first (or second behind the Angel V6) electropneumatic solenoid operated marker, plus a regulator called MaxFlow.
And life was good...
Then after a while the good folks at PVI started to do some R&D and came up with a marker called PVI Shocker 2000. It had on gun chrono and LCD display (Im not sure about that) and anti chop eye. Before the first prototypes materialized things went sour with SP and the result was PVI going bankrupt.
All their intellectual properities & patents went to SP wich at that time was good in manufacturing barrels and other acessories. But not so in designing markers you can see the results in the 2000, 2001, 2002 shockers wich are virtually identical. (yes I know there was a board change)
Probably this is the time when all the work of PVI are understood and actually implemented in the new markers.
Soo thats the story in general. I will try to dig up a link where the SP & PVI story is told in much more detail...
Cya
Flash-Bugout was the closest to the truth!
But let me tell you a little story forgotten long ago...
There was a company called PneuVentures Inc. (PVI) and there was two brothers by the name of Gardener, and their joint SmartParts pushing their stuff.
PVI designed a certain gun wich was at the time revolutionary and paved the way for the future. It was called the PVI Shocker and it was the first (or second behind the Angel V6) electropneumatic solenoid operated marker, plus a regulator called MaxFlow.
And life was good...
Then after a while the good folks at PVI started to do some R&D and came up with a marker called PVI Shocker 2000. It had on gun chrono and LCD display (Im not sure about that) and anti chop eye. Before the first prototypes materialized things went sour with SP and the result was PVI going bankrupt.
All their intellectual properities & patents went to SP wich at that time was good in manufacturing barrels and other acessories. But not so in designing markers you can see the results in the 2000, 2001, 2002 shockers wich are virtually identical. (yes I know there was a board change)
Probably this is the time when all the work of PVI are understood and actually implemented in the new markers.
Soo thats the story in general. I will try to dig up a link where the SP & PVI story is told in much more detail...
Cya
Getting on my nerves
I dont think that would work - in play the chrono would then have to measure a string of 10-20 ball each second, don't think it can do that. The best way would be to have to sensors that measure what time the ball passes them and based on the distance between them it calculates the speed. But since the distance between them can't be very long at all, they have to be extremly precise, don't know if that would work.
/Linqon
I dont think that would work - in play the chrono would then have to measure a string of 10-20 ball each second, don't think it can do that. The best way would be to have to sensors that measure what time the ball passes them and based on the distance between them it calculates the speed. But since the distance between them can't be very long at all, they have to be extremly precise, don't know if that would work.
Exactly... If it would take something like 20 balls to adjust +/-10fps, or if it would require 3-4 balls after each other with simliar speed before adjusting it would work. Not really a big problem as long as you design with it in mind.
Don't think so. I remember reading in the patent something about a laser beam to measure speed... That could probably do the trick.
/Linqon
Feeling Nervey, Fear nothing with the new gun from Smart Parts
The problem with any kind of sensors, would be that to stand any chance they would have to be along the entire length of the barrel (which would be v expensive per barrel!). The velocity would then have to be calculated assuming constant acceleration (because the ball is at rest in the breach and at 200 mph at the other end) and I am pretty sure that this isn't quite true, making it a pretty rough and ready calculation.
Using Lasers? Unless that's using a light-gate system then that's going to be on pretty similar priniples to the radar chronograph, using reflection times and dopler shift.
Maybe I'm a cynic, but I see this feature going the same way as most of the stuff on the IR3, most people won't use them and will probably resent paying for them. The possibilty of it breaking down and ****ing you up for the day seems pretty high to me.
Hey ho, am still fascinated by it all
Richard
Um, that's why I suggested a different mode, this would probably either have a capped ROF or only allow you to fire the gun once the previous velocity adjutment had been completed. This would not be used in game.
The problem with any kind of sensors, would be that to stand any chance they would have to be along the entire length of the barrel (which would be v expensive per barrel!). The velocity would then have to be calculated assuming constant acceleration (because the ball is at rest in the breach and at 200 mph at the other end) and I am pretty sure that this isn't quite true, making it a pretty rough and ready calculation.
Using Lasers? Unless that's using a light-gate system then that's going to be on pretty similar priniples to the radar chronograph, using reflection times and dopler shift.
Maybe I'm a cynic, but I see this feature going the same way as most of the stuff on the IR3, most people won't use them and will probably resent paying for them. The possibilty of it breaking down and ****ing you up for the day seems pretty high to me.
Hey ho, am still fascinated by it all
Richard
Hmmmm...the first link in this thread gets you to a patent app for the Freak system, and the second link gets to you a chrono system but there's no link to any guns like
"http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&p=1&S1=%28paintball+AND+gardner%29&OS=paintball+AND+gardner&RS=(paintball+AND+gardner)"
or
"http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=3&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&p=1&S1=%28paintball+AND+gardner%29&OS=paintball+AND+gardner&RS=(paintball+AND+gardner)"
oh well...the patent app about the Velocimeter talks about optically sensing the velocity, and you'd only need two sensors to do this, unless you use a laser. Actually the radar idea is probably workable and fairly reliable...you're not going to tell me that you can shoot fast enough to outpace a signal that goes about 186,000 miles per second...same for the laser but I think the hard part would be to distinguish which of the string of balls it's measuring...okay so maybe the radar idea is not so hot....hmmm....back to the drawing board.
BTW, there already has been an on-barrel optical chrono, but you have to hang it on an existing barrel. The patent talks about one built into the stock barrel. I tend to think going optical would be cheaper, but a step backwards...but price point is important. I guess if everyone on the field had a built-in radar chrono then someone would come up with a radar jammer that would mess with your opponents gun to make his balls either fall at his feet, or zing by at 500 fps. Hmmmm.....
Ray
"http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=2&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&p=1&S1=%28paintball+AND+gardner%29&OS=paintball+AND+gardner&RS=(paintball+AND+gardner)"
or
"http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.html&r=3&f=G&l=50&d=PG01&p=1&S1=%28paintball+AND+gardner%29&OS=paintball+AND+gardner&RS=(paintball+AND+gardner)"
oh well...the patent app about the Velocimeter talks about optically sensing the velocity, and you'd only need two sensors to do this, unless you use a laser. Actually the radar idea is probably workable and fairly reliable...you're not going to tell me that you can shoot fast enough to outpace a signal that goes about 186,000 miles per second...same for the laser but I think the hard part would be to distinguish which of the string of balls it's measuring...okay so maybe the radar idea is not so hot....hmmm....back to the drawing board.
BTW, there already has been an on-barrel optical chrono, but you have to hang it on an existing barrel. The patent talks about one built into the stock barrel. I tend to think going optical would be cheaper, but a step backwards...but price point is important. I guess if everyone on the field had a built-in radar chrono then someone would come up with a radar jammer that would mess with your opponents gun to make his balls either fall at his feet, or zing by at 500 fps. Hmmmm.....
Ray