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dr.strangelove

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Plums,

The Impy is much like the Bushmaster in design, so I have one question about your details on the way the solenoid is fed. You're correct that it's fed by air that's in the valve chamber, but that air should first goes through a LP reg (even stock, there should be something there to cut down the pressure), then is diverted via a very small, narrow air passage way to the solenoid. That's how the Bushy is anyhow. That way you can adjust your input pressure higher, and have more pressure in the valve chamber (thusly increasing the velocity), without blowing up your solenoid (if it doesn't work like that, then the impy suffers from a horribly stupid design, and SP needs to really go back to the drawing board and put something together that's better. Seems like it would be VERRRRY easy to blow up your solenoid with the design you described). Putting on an aftermarket LP reg, such as the Jackhammer II, would replace the stock reg (if there is one) with an adapter to screw the new LP reg into, and air pressure to the solenoid is controlled via the external reg, and is thusly much easier to adjust (and, depending on the reg chosen, possibly more stable and consistent). Cocking pressure on the Timmy, Angel, Bushy, etc, (which all use almost an identical re-cocking system), is between like 60-100 psi, and the Impulse probably isn't much different, and you'd need a good 200 or more psi input in order to get any kind of velocity out of the marker. And if that pressure is going unregulated into the solenoid, that seems like massive overkill, and again, an exceedingly ill conceived design.
 

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I bow to your knowledge on the bushy, but the impy IS how I described - there is no reg between the valve and solenoid "as standard". The impy is designed to work at between 160 and 200psi, and both the valve and solenoid work well at this pressure. :D

With an LPR fitted to the front cap, then there is a reg between the valve chamber and solenoid, but this is not standard on an SP impulse - as I said before, the Strange has one, and a few others, but not all.

Remember SP designed this as a SIMPLE marker, with little (if anything) to go wrong, and for this purpose, it works extremely well. The addition of the Jackhammer does improve efficiency, but mine doesn't have one, and I don't intend to fit one. At 4500psi, and a 1.5 bottle, my "bog standard" 2k2 impy can shoot 7 pots and a hopper in a game and still come back with 3000psi left in my tank. I think that's efficient enough for me. Efficient enough that I'm not letting go of it yet despite being totally besotted with my new Shocker'03... :D

In answer to you query about cocking pressure and velocity, remember that velocity is a function of pressure and duration. The impulse probably has a higher than "average" dwell to compensate for the low pressure, but I personally think that there isn't anything wrong with the design of the impulse. It just works a bit differently. As an example, with an Evil Respirator installed, the input pressure can be increased to well over 200, but the solenoid pressure kept below 150. This is softer on paint, and I guess efficiency is improved, but in my mind, having an extra reg to adjust is a little too much hassle for a gun that works fine already, and also something extra for the uninitiated to fiddle with - we all know how many newbies get cockers in a right state when they fiddle with the regs and timings! :D
 

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Okay.

Like I said, I've never owned an Impulse, but I figured that based on it's similarity to the timmy, angel and bushy, and especially the bushy, that it would have a built in LP reg. The only reason I say that this is a bit of a stupid design, is the fact that you could so easily blow your solenoid just by a simple slip of the input pressure adjuster. A built in, preset LP reg (requiring no adjustment by the owner) would be ideal for it... maybe I better go run out and get me a patent lawyer :D
 

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Yeah... ever noticed that little brass/silver nut that comes out of the Maxflow just in front of the manifold? It's a Pressure Relief Valve - set to blow in case you turn the output pressure too high. Typical example of fixing the symptom, not the problem. :D

So in fact, an addendum to the original question in this thread would be: If you're putting a different air-system on your impy, then make sure you take that PRV off the max-flo and but it somewhere else - a common place for it would be the back of the solenoid chamber, although that then leaves a weird-looking nut sticking out that back of your gun... ;)
 

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hats off to y'all impy owners you clever bar stewards. many thanks to all replies sent im spoilt for choice may just go for standard lp max flow reg initially to feed through my voodoo foregrip then then later get a vert conversion and change to sexy eclipse spec. happy ballin in '04 see you at the euro indoor thanks again guys.