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manike

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Originally posted by Skeetmaster
They didnt have the computing power when they made the F117A?
Absolutely.

The F117A was delivered in 1982. Think back to what computers were like then!

Heck even 2 years ago it took an age just to calculate the aerodynamics around a saloon car, with single calculations taking days. (I used to work with guys in Aerodynamics to help them reverse engineer hand made models for the calculations).

The original design team started the F117A in 1975! and then took the project on full time in 1978.

It takes a LONG time to design a new plane. And the basic package has to be one of the earlier parts of the design to be finished.

Originally posted by Skeetmaster
Surely, its because, they arent deflecting projectiles, which would benfit from a curved surface, as it reduces the impact...and of course, they are trying to deflect Radar signals, in any direction, other than back to the source???
Nothing to do with deflecting projectiles.

More recent studies have shown that curved surfaces will actually have a better result in deflecting radar signals. I'm trying to remember where I read the article.

Future designs of stealth craft will not be limited to such faceted shapes.

Even now when we do FEA or Aerodynamic calculations we convert smooth surfaces into facet models to aid the calculations.

As you get more and more facets you get back to a closer approximation of a curved surface.

As computer power has gone up the quality of facet models for computation has increased, but we still can't really use 'real' curved surfaces for the calculations. In the early days it helped to have as few facets as possible for the calculations, hence the very 'triangulated' appearance of the early stealth vehicles.

:D

It's a story I've been told all the way through my engineering training, and even by an Engineer for Lockhead Martin. My uni, Sussex, used to do a lot of jet engine research and development so we often had guest speakers from the industry.
 

manike

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Rich had the services of two Lockheed employees, mathematician Bill Schroeder and computer scientist Denys Overholser, to work on the XST program. Schroeder realized that it would be much easier to compute RCS if the shape of an aircraft could be reduced to a set of flat surfaces, or "facets". Schroeder approached Overholser with the idea, and within five weeks Overholser had written a computer program named "Echo I" that could determine the RCS of a "faceted" aircraft. Armed with Echo I, Schroeder came up with an initial XST design that he called the "Hopeless Diamond", and handed Ben Rich a sketch of it in May 1975.
Taken from, The Origins of Stealth. Here...

http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avf1171.html

It's a great read!
 

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Every point on a curve is at a different angle and therefore facing a different direction (even fractionaly) to all the others; this means that there is more chance of reflecting radar in a direction other than the one which it came from.