HELP! Angel Air or Armagedon?????

[Collier]

Originally posted by Sypher365
And now for something completely different, if you want to save some money take a look at the new nitro duck Xtreme reg - fully adjustable output, its half the weight if the armagedon and as consistant and alot cheaper infact only £75 more info here

The reg looks sweet! the only problem I have is I'm yet to find a bottom line that I find comfortable.

Paul.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by Paul_collier
The reg looks sweet! the only problem I have is I'm yet to find a bottom line that I find comfortable.

Paul.

Yeah thats the one most people have a problem with if they don't play with long drops.

A couple of setups we use which arn't to bad are:

the small 32 degrees drop (image here) with the on/off gives a tight and light set-up.

Another set up is using the on/off with a armagedon mount rail (dovetail) this takes a bit of fiddling but once mounted the bottle is directly below the grip.

I will try get some pics this weekend of the two setups or come see team phoenix at the next MM (stoke) and try the setups.

 

[Collier]

One of the most comfortable set ups I've used is a 'geddon with stock rail with a 0.8 tank, on a Viking interestingly enough well over 1000 shots as well, which is nice....

Paul

 

[Munky]

Using the on/off with the geddon rail pretty much places the bottle in the same possition it would be with a full geddon setup

0.8 tank and over 1000 shots - ohh the joys of using a very efficient marker most of the xtreme regs are sat on timmy's which are pretty good for efficiency aswell running at 75-100psi

I have been using my xtreme reg on a cocker, eblade & timmy and havn't had any problems with shootdown running with an output pressure between 400psi and 600psi (depending on which marker of course) and consistansy over the chrono has been very good.

I also suppose cause its only the reg your buying you could put whatever size bottle on you wanted so a 0.8 whould be even lighter mmm now thats a thought

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by Sypher365
Using the on/off with the geddon rail pretty much places the bottle in the same possition it would be with a full geddon setup

0.8 tank and over 1000 shots - ohh the joys of using a very efficient marker most of the xtreme regs are sat on timmy's which are pretty good for efficiency aswell running at 75-100psi

I have been using my xtreme reg on a cocker, eblade & timmy and havn't had any problems with shootdown running with an output pressure between 400psi and 600psi (depending on which marker of course) and consistansy over the chrono has been very good.

I also suppose cause its only the reg your buying you could put whatever size bottle on you wanted so a 0.8 whould be even lighter mmm now thats a thought

Aye the timmy aint bad for efficiency lets face it as long as you aren't getting shocker like efficiency its all good, case of a 1.5 is nice though

Paul

 

[Sinner]

The gauge on the AIR is far more precise: you want 600 psi, then dial it in. With the older mechanical gauges you often end up with a fudge factor, having to add or subtract X psi to get your actual output.

As for the idea that the AIR comes with lots of gizmos... err, no. It has a tank pressure display, an output display and a shot count display. You don't have to use the latter, but since WDP had the spare capacity in the chip, they decided to add something simple but potentially useful for some people.

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by Sinner
The gauge on the AIR is far more precise: you want 600 psi, then dial it in. With the older mechanical gauges you often end up with a fudge factor, having to add or subtract X psi to get your actual output.

As for the idea that the AIR comes with lots of gizmos... err, no. It has a tank pressure display, an output display and a shot count display. You don't have to use the latter, but since WDP had the spare capacity in the chip, they decided to add something simple but potentially useful for some people.

When does a reg need to be that accurate?? the only case I can think of is if your single regging. I tried that setup on my LCD and A.I.R (A.I.R into gutted mini-reg) worst set up ever IMO!

Paul

 

[Sinner]

I don't normally go for single regging myself - I prefer the safety buffer of dual regs - but I didn't have any problem when I tried it. It didn't give me any real benefit though - consistency was about the same & there was no real weight/profile benefit - so I didn't stick with it.

As for the usefulness of the precision. With some of the mini-gauges out there, you have shocking levels of inaccuracy at times - I had one on a 'geddon that was about 200 psi out when I spotted the problem! OK, AIRs can go faulty & misread, but that's a relatively uncommon fault (now awaits hundreds of people piping up to say that theirs went wrong )

Plus it's nice to dial straight to your desired output, with the fudge factor on mini-gauges, you sometimes have to P about tweaking the output. If you have a problem where you're not sure if it's the air system, your secondary reg, LPR, whatever, it's a nice comfort to know precisely what one system is doing.

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by Sinner
I don't normally go for single regging myself - I prefer the safety buffer of dual regs - but I didn't have any problem when I tried it. It didn't give me any real benefit though - consistency was about the same & there was no real weight/profile benefit - so I didn't stick with it.

As for the usefulness of the precision. With some of the mini-gauges out there, you have shocking levels of inaccuracy at times - I had one on a 'geddon that was about 200 psi out when I spotted the problem! OK, AIRs can go faulty & misread, but that's a relatively uncommon fault (now awaits hundreds of people piping up to say that theirs went wrong )

Plus it's nice to dial straight to your desired output, with the fudge factor on mini-gauges, you sometimes have to P about tweaking the output. If you have a problem where you're not sure if it's the air system, your secondary reg, LPR, whatever, it's a nice comfort to know precisely what one system is doing.

spose so... personally I 'm not too fussed about my first reg, as long as its over 400 psi I'm happy, I know what you mean about gauges tthough!

Paul

 

[Dark Warrior]

Only used geddons and had no problems that a service didn't fix. So geddon all the way.