Actually, I just signed up to this forum last night and was just having some fun with posting and getting good tech info from other points of view (esp. when they're from the UK home of Belsales and the perfect cocker trigger). Beaker is correct about his statement about my looking up all timmy topics, I didn't know there was an unwritten rule about digging up old threads, sorry about that one, hope I didn't annoy anyone too much. And again, the vortex comment was actually given to me by my friend and timmy Tech Todd who plays on Long's Iron men, etc. Just trying to show off thats all and to shake off this darn "rookie" status. How in the world do you get stars etc on this forum by the way.