Game Plan or Freestyle ?

[Matski]

I agree with the stance your taking Pete, but your sample aint the best there.....Russians, soon, im sure, to be proven 1 of the very best xball teams in the world....and Joy....who well, certainly won't be. Surely if both teams have super-skilled, fit, players, zero weak links, then its down to some strategy...at least in terms of breakouts and who 'needs' to be put in.

 

[Robbo]

Matt, I think you are getting confused with tactics being an 'edge' that can (and will) influence games between teams of equal or near equal ability as against being a prime determinant as to why one team might beat another.
I am not and never would say strategy can't influence games, I am just saying it is nowhere near as important as techniques.
Hope this makes my stance clear.

 

[Matski]

Pete..

Crystal, I think the style of the modern game makes this even more salient. Were talking dominate+aggress=win and the team with the most skill will be able to do the most of both. The room for strategy is growing even smaller imo, cos a team with players very able to do this can win games by just playing off each other and holding their own given the style of fields etc..

You dont see many deadlocked games anymore

 

[noop]

Re: Re: Game Plan or Freestyle ?

Originally posted by Robbo
Noop, I have always questioned strategy !!!

I was not stating that I disagreed with you, just that I found the situation humorous.

Originally posted by Robbo
I saw one game in Oslo's XBall tourney that had the Russians shoot every one of Joy Division's players within ten seconds of the start.

Not related (or maybe it is), but how often do their players with critical bunkers to make run and gun at breakout? Corners? X-guy? I'm just curious.

 

[Buddha 3]

www.idiotbox-paintball.com/EXLpt2.wmv

Have a look and see the Russkies break. Notice how many guns are up.

 

[Robbo]

Re: Re: Re: Game Plan or Freestyle ?

Originally posted by noop
Not related (or maybe it is), but how often do their players with critical bunkers to make run and gun at breakout? Corners? X-guy? I'm just curious.

Noop, those guys 'run and gun' better than most pros just gun.

 

[Robbo]

Pete..

Originally posted by matski
Crystal, I think the style of the modern game makes this even more salient. Were talking dominate+aggress=win and the team with the most skill will be able to do the most of both. The room for strategy is growing even smaller imo, cos a team with players very able to do this can win games by just playing off each other and holding their own given the style of fields etc..

You dont see many deadlocked games anymore

I have written a few articles trying to get over the point of dominant play i.e. gaining control and maintaining it.
If you can begin to dominate the airways at T Zero + 2 seconds then theoretically, the potential is there for an orchetsrated walk down or as I like to call it now, a line dance.

The Russkies achieved this with virtually no line dancing to be done as they had already elimnated all of Joy Division within ten seconds and so none of them had a chance to indulge in a paintball tango.

In XBall this was possible but I doubt it can be done the same way in 7-man though I wouldn't put it past the Russkies to do it in a year or so.

 

[MarkB]

Pete,
I watched your boys train versus Shockwave at Russ' site before Amsterdam earlier in the year. I would have expected you guys to have won easily but it was a fairly close run day.

It was obvious that the Nexus lads had superior individual skills but they seemed to be stifled, unreactive and held back by something. They all seemed to be thinking too much trying to stick to a game plan and this seemed to affect their performance. Shockwave however were playing pure freestyle, only deciding where they were going once at the start gate. They had better movement and reacted a lot faster to moves by Nexus in the games than Nexus did to moves by Shockwave.
They were quite happy to make it up as they went along, where as Nexus seemed lost if the game didn't go to plan.
I have played ball with some of the guys off Nexus for years and would say you have some great freestyling talent, guys like Tommy/Bowen/Nicky T/Junior.....etc. So it doesn't suprise me to hear they got a better result freestyling.

Mark

 

[noop]

Originally posted by Buddha 3
www.idiotbox-paintball.com/EXLpt2.wmv

Have a look and see the Russkies break. Notice how many guns are up.

I cannot seem to get a connection to the server.

 

[Matski]

You dont really need to, you can be pretty sure all guns up is the general standard......Dynasty were using it to dominate teams and have fronts unable to come out of their barricades ages ago. Good shooting and moving has been a key skill in order to dominate for ages....only, the russians have the capacity to perfect it to a superior quality (team-wide)...and that makes them pretty lethal...It's pretty hard to hit an opponent who can fire faster, more consistantly and more accurately than you all in 1 practised package...You either stick to your guns cos your confident in your ability, or bail, and get get stuck behind some barricade other than your gun, and your team on the backfoot, because you can't answer the opposing skill..