Flag Base Rules.

[ALEX JEYES]

Is it me or is anyone else getting pissed off with the different rules for different fields with regards to the flag bases. In portugal and germany every field we played on had a different code of practise i.e one, foot in , half your body in or guns up and guns down and the one which I think screwed the most people, dont shoot untill your over the line and on other fields its step out and shoot. I think this is something that needs to be viewed for the next rounds of the series. what do you dudes think?

 

[gaff]

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yeah i think the fields at each individual tournament need to be exactly the same at least and preferably all tournaments. why cant we have a world rules format to which all series organisers agree on a set format for all events?

 

[Red_Merkin]

this issue needs to be raised with the Millenium Series Rules guys,
I sugest that you go over to the Millenium series board and sign up to vote about Millenium issues.

 

[Wadidiz]

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Originally posted by gaff
yeah i think the fields at each individual tournament need to be exactly the same at least and preferably all tournaments. why cant we have a world rules format to which all series organisers agree on a set format for all events?

That's exactly what I'd like to see and what I try to encourage everywhere and every way I can.

The world is definitely getting smaller in PB. Scandinavian teams are flying over to judge in a major American league. American teams regularly participate in Millennium events and have since its beginning. European teams are getting into the finals more in America.

We need to have the same basic rulebook everywhere using the same outline structure, with as few variances as possible. Using the same outline form would also make it easier for the many players and judges that play in different leagues to find the differences.

We also really need to get a uniform way to run each field as has already been pointed out. I think it ought to be: "Masks on! Barrel socks off! Team A, are you ready? Team B, are you ready? Get ready for the 10 second warning! 3, 2, 1, ten seconds!" And after 10 seconds, "Go, go, go!"

Also, it should be standard everywhere to start a game with one foot on the start line or against the breakboard, barrels pointed down and step on-field before starting.

IMO.

Steve

 

[Takedown]

I've thought about the start stations/rules that have been used lately (HB, Vegas, Portugal). I think it is flawed and makes it more difficult to ref and introduces the possibility for inconsistencies.

The issues I see are:

- Players actually start out of bounds and on some fields you can shoot from behind the boundary line, on others you have to cross the line.

- Corner players may actually run out of bounds for more then a few steps for a direct run to their corner (especially when you have 3-4 players leaving from one side)

- What's the definition of markers down? Is a slight angle ok? Is it ok as long as the marker is at a downward angle?

I see two different solutions, both of which I think would make reffing easier and there would be a less chance for inconsistency.

Solution 1:

- Leave the start station on the boundary line.

- Players start in bounds. Player can never be out of bounds, shoot out of bounds, step on the line, etc.

- Players are in front of the start station

- Barrels must be touching before game on

- Markers may be shot immediately at game on

Solution 2:

- Move the start station into the field 3-5 feet

- Players start in bounds. Player can never be out of bounds, shoot out of bounds, step on the line, etc.

- Players have one foot behind the station

- Marker may be aimed anywhere

- The players foot must leave the station before firing

I prefer Solution 1 because the only thing the judge needs to look at as game on is called is if all the barrels are touching the board. The judge does not need to worry if the markers are "pointed down", if a foot is behind a line, if a player shoots before moving forward or before crossing the boundary line, etc.

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by Takedown
I've thought about the start stations/rules that have been used lately (HB, Vegas, Portugal). I think it is flawed and makes it more difficult to ref and introduces the possibility for inconsistencies.

The issues I see are:

- Players actually start out of bounds and on some fields you can shoot from behind the boundary line, on others you have to cross the line.

- Corner players may actually run out of bounds for more then a few steps for a direct run to their corner (especially when you have 3-4 players leaving from one side)

- What's the definition of markers down? Is a slight angle ok? Is it ok as long as the marker is at a downward angle?

I see two different solutions, both of which I think would make reffing easier and there would be a less chance for inconsistency.

Solution 1:

- Leave the start station on the boundary line.

- Players start in bounds. Player can never be out of bounds, shoot out of bounds, step on the line, etc.

- Players are in front of the start station

- Barrels must be touching before game on

- Markers may be shot immediately at game on

Solution 2:

- Move the start station into the field 3-5 feet

- Players start in bounds. Player can never be out of bounds, shoot out of bounds, step on the line, etc.

- Players have one foot behind the station

- Marker may be aimed anywhere

- The players foot must leave the station before firing

I prefer Solution 1 because the only thing the judge needs to look at as game on is called is if all the barrels are touching the board. The judge does not need to worry if the markers are "pointed down", if a foot is behind a line, if a player shoots before moving forward or before crossing the boundary line, etc.

I agree that your solution number 1 would be good and simplify things.

 

[manike]

I also think this needs looking at.

I'm all in favour of the simplest rules which require the least amount of interpretation and implementation by the judges. To that effect I think solution 1 works very well.

Originally posted by Takedown
Solution 1:

- Leave the start station on the boundary line.

- Players start in bounds. Player can never be out of bounds, shoot out of bounds, step on the line, etc.

- Players are in front of the start station

- Barrels must be touching before game on

- Markers may be shot immediately at game on

On a similar note what's the point of having boundaries to fields which are just crappy chalk lines on the field? I hate seeing players eliminated for crossing an 'imaginary' line which no longer has anything to do with the game since we are within enclosed netted boxes anyway.

We should no longer have to worry about boundary lines on the ground.

If you are eliminated you make your way quickly to the dead box in the corner, and although obviously such areas are not areas of play, we should just be able to get on with the game within the netted area.

 

[Takedown]

Manike,

I agree with you as well, the boundary lines need to be looked at. However I don't think "play within the netted area" will work, because then there is no safe area on the field for photographers, camera crew, etc. The NPPL for example is taping the Sunday NPPL field games for their DVD's and TV. They actually have camera towers and a stage where crew's can video from. It would be crazy to allow players to use these as bunkers That may be a long shot, but if there isn't a rule against it the players will do it!

I think we need a place, within the nets, that the players cannot play from for refs, media, etc. We need to figure out a way for this area to be clearly marked so the player can see the tape when standing, kneeling, laying down, etc. What's everyones thoughts on how to fix this?

 

[manike]

Yeah I know what you mean... I've just been thinking similar things, especially since I've spent my fair share of time behind the camera for Warpig also...

How about breaking the boundary lines (which are often so crap) isn't an immediate elimination?

How about just make it a warning offence, where the player is only eliminated if he continues to do it, or to play from out of bounds? (i.e. hiding behind cameramen or dead boxes?)

We used to have short poles with surveying/warning tape, but that looks messy and takes extra cost and work (= not easy for organisers so won't be done...)

I think reasons to eliminate players that don't revolve around playing the game and marking with paintballs should be reduced to the minimum... it makes the game better and it's easier and more consistent to judge for everyone.

 

[raehl]

Starting:

There should be two posts with a rope/bar across. Start with your barrel touching the rope or posts. As any other time, you can't be out of bounds. Note that it would be quite acceptable to have the rope 5 ft away from the back bondry.

Simple, and any field should be able to have two posts and a rope for a starting station with ease.

Doubles for flag hangs - touch flag to rope or post.


Boundries:

Boundries are mainly left over from the woodsball days where "in" and "out" of bounds wasn't obvious without a tapeline. Boundries should be effectively eliminated from the game, i.e., there should be a wide margin between any bunkers and the tapeline. They should also keep players from touching netting, hopefully bouncing shots off netting (bad for safety reasons), and being able to technically run out of the field and play from the stands.


Boundries being an integral part of the game make sense in other sports that don't have the concept of cover, but paintball pretty much comes with it's own natural - albeit unspecific - boundries, i.e., you're not likely to want to stand someplace with no cover for long.


- Chris