Permboy, I also think you should check out some 'mags. They're really simple and durable, aaand despite what some may think, they are tourney quality. Three years ago I bought an angel, but the previous seven I spent behind my automag. Yeah, I sold out and got an Angel, but I still stand by 'mags. If you want to see some people who get REALLY excited about 'mags, go to automags.org. Good luck to ya'.