Firing Rates concerning - Nexus Eblade - Info Thread

[liamliddy]

Hi guys, I am writing this thread with the hope I will be able to gain some much needed advice and information.

Basically after owning a Speed, several things made me unsure about other markers. The Speed is capable of 30 balls per second, in that there are 30 'windows of opportunity' for a ball to be loaded into the breach and fired. As there are the 30 chances it means it could prove much easier to acheive higher firing rates than you may have previously done.

Also mentioned was that other guns which claim to have similar firing speeds, say a vision impulse with a super fast cricket board at 25 bps, well is the gun actually capable of 25 full cycles of the marker or are the cycles which make up the 25 bps just half or under full cycles?

I have now replaced the Speed with a 2k3 Shocker, although was a little aprehensive to do so as the board may well have a high rof but would the marker cycle that fast?

I have been looking at the Nexus Eblade and feel tempted to buy one, but, previously I have heard talk of the marker not being physically able to perform much higher rof than X amount due to the mechanical nature, ie. The back block moving forwards and backwards which is more phsically limited in speed to other markers. Although after seeing a video of an eblade on what i beleive was fully automatic I did wander what the score was, what will this gun actually fire at, how many full cycles can it complete each second?

I just don't know what to beleive when I hear of such guns as bushmasters having the boards capped at 66 bps, I do not understand the point of this if the marker cannot physically cycles that fast, even if there was a way to pull the trigger 66 times in one second.

Please give me your View on the above mentioned topic. Detailed posts please guys.

Thankyou

Liam

 

[evil sharks matt]

dude the nexus is fast beleive me !!! it will cycle at 40 cps

 

[weedave]

Originally posted by djmatt
dude the nexus is fast beleive me !!! it will cycle at 40 cps

He said Detailed replies Fool! Psh!

 

[evil sharks matt]

dont need to be more detailed than that bro

 

[Gyroscope]

The cycle rate of an eBlade eqiuped autococker varies with the mechanical restraints specific to the individual gat.

The idea is to get a ram with very little drag, the lightest back block, bolt, and pump arm rod possible, some QEVs, a LPR with good recharge rate, and the lightest springing you can manage. What slows the cocker down at high rates of fire is inertia (hence the need to reduce the moving component weight), friction (mainly between the ram and its piston and the bolt with the receiver body), residual back pressure (inside the ram, hence the advantage of QEVs), and sufficient force to move the stuff around (and so, good LPR and light mainspring).

You need to have the cocking cycle operate without interfering with the firing cycle.

QEVs are "quick exhaust valves." They screw into the ram, between the fitting the hoses stick on and the ram itself. They release airpressure from the front of the ram when you pressurize the back, and from the back when you pressurize the front, more or less.

 

[Gyroscope]

These are quotes from pbnation. This is a really good explaination for how to do it.

I set the SON time to what works, it that simple! When I setup a new Cocker, I generally give it 1-2ms extra till everything is broken in! this will drain the battery faster, but will eliminate about 75% of the initial problems we see on the forum! Generally, a 3-4ms SON time will work great on most cockers with a flat polished lug and greased seer, a light main spring is also a big help here! Keep in mind the SON setting has no bearing on your ROF!
I have come to believe that when using a force feed loader like the Evo II or Halo B, suction timing is really a waste of time, and I tend to concentrate on eliminating blowback! do the tissue test WITH paint and adjust the CDEL time to the lowest you can with no blowback, then leave it!
Next, I go about finding the Bolt Open Time, by starting at 5ms CON setting and keep raising this till the seer actually catches the lug, this setting will vary greatly depending on the moving mass, quality of ram, and the cocking pressure used!
The second half of the CON timing is the Load Time, I find this by dropping a single ball in the vert. feed and moving the CON setting up till it actually chambers the ball! This will give you the total Con setting, but keep in mind the total CON setting is only used when the eye is turned off, this should give you a safe setting in case of eye failure, for a Evo II and Halo B, or add a little for a Revi.
Lastly the COFF setting can be set at or just below the reading you got for the Bolt Open Time, so if you got a open time of 25ms, you should be able to set the COFF at about 23ms and be safe! The theory here is the ram will close the bolt a little faster then it opens it since it doesn't have to compress the main spring, also remember the lighter the main spring you use the less difference in open and close time there will be, so you will want to test for drop off in rapid fire strings, if it does happen, just bump up the COFF time till the strings stabilize....

That's about it....

-Hammer 1

Test, test, and more testing. At least w/ me, and I think Hammer is the same way.... I first went about learning how the e-blade worked, then I studied the graphs and theories about the settings for the e-blade. From there I put that knowledge to use; forming some points I knew I Could start at. From those points I did just what u said...kept going down till it wouldn't work anymore, then I bumped it up a few. Actually the theory I follow is slightly different. You only need paint for one thing w/ my way of setting the e-blade up. W/ my way, say for the CON, u take it all the way down till the gun won't fire anymore. Then u bump it up one. Thats your gun's open time. Then u need to account for the load time of the different hoppers. If you have a Halo, 15 ms is a pretty good point to work w/. The rest I don't really remember. So u add on 15 ms to your CON time, and there u have the CON time set. For the COFF time u drop it till it starts burping again. Then u raise it. The Coff time u really need paint, b/c you then shoot it w/ paint under high ROF's and u raise it till it no longer has drop off under high ROF's. The SON time ...well follow the book. The CDEL...it's just depends on if your going for speed, or suction. Although, it's my belief they are not inversely related as it may seem, and share a hand in hand relationship. But yeah peeps lets see some settings! I'm in the process of building a whole new set up built just for speed...it's gonna be as fast as possible, so we'll see what I can achieve w/ it.

-Tanner





hope that's enough detail to chew on for a while!

 

[liamliddy]

Cheers for the info guys, just love the look of them and the noise they make when they fire its like music lol, gyro just wandering about how fast they will fire with the full cycles not how to perform any upgrade/mod to the gun, but cheers anway

 

[Ben Frain]

Liam, I think the interesting thing with the Eblade is that it seems it can work beyond the mechanical limits of the marker.

When it first came out, we were impressed when we saw a video of it doing between 14-19 BPS. Now with the Nexus and its uprated mechanics there's video footage of it shooting a Halo at around 25BPS, and further footage of it without a loader doing 40 Cycles Per Second. I believe that given a fast enough loader it could fire at the speed it can cycle (40BPS). I have asked a similar question over on the wgp forums in the past and the response was basically that the Nexus could actually fire that fast (and not suffer shoot down etc) as long as the loader could load quickly enough.

Of course, this is all purely academic as nobody can actually fire (semi) that fast anyway but is interesting none the less.

So, in answer to your question. It is my understanding that the Nexus can physically cycle at around 40CPS. Therefore in theory it is loader limited.

However, I should also point out that this is merely my understanding of it - the truth may differ greatly!

 

[liamliddy]

Cheers Ben, thats the kind of reply i'd been looking for

 

[Ben Frain]

BTW - Liam, if you are seriously interested give Planet a call. They are very helpful and approachable people and won't tell you anything that isn't true.

They could settle it for you once and for all...