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Robbo

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I was just in the process of answering one post when the phone rings and Steve Baldwin from the Millennium then asks me to make a few things clears that perhaps were not apparent.

Firstly there is no short-term exclusive plan going on in the EXL with regard to pro teams.
There is a five-year plan that will include everybody; leastwise this is the working theory.
First year’s predicted expenditure is running at 350,000 Euros with a view that 2005 will bring divisional XBall for everyone.
The 8 teams who have been selected to Xball this year will be offered a free membership next and after that, teams will be on their own to survive or not.
Leagues will be based upon the European model where teams are not locked in but allowed to move up and down dependant upon relegation and promotion positions.
Teams who start out will be allowed in at the lower division of XBall and have to work their way up with individual players able to move to whatever team they want.
This is just at it is in many other pro leagues.

I told Steve I did not like the idea of having any Yank teams over in what is supposed to be a Euro league but he has told me there is a process of marketing that is ongoing with Dick Clark that would be better served if there were an American component in EXL.
This situation does not have to extend to 2005 and is there purely to assist for marketing reasons.
For my part, the good parts about having them in apart from those just mentioned is we can learn off them, as I have now been told it won’t be the same teams coming across so we will have the opportunity to play against the best as the year unfolds.
There are many negative aspects of having the Americans involved in a Euro league but we will have to put them on the back burner for this next year.
This XBall development program that the Millennium has planned has fast track options that can be used if outside sponsorship comes on board at any time.
As money comes in from TV, outside sponsors etc, the plan is for this to speed up the expansion of XBall but it should not be forgotten the idea behind all this is to encompass all teams in the XBall phenomenon.
 

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thanks for clarifying those points Pete....

have you been told as to what us other teams have to play to be considered for 2005? e.g. if we played Div Xball in the US all season would we get offered a place in 2005 for the EXL, or do we have to play Suerleague? or Div 1 MS? or any?

it would be great if someone from the MS would actually come on here and give the low down on it all!
 

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Originally posted by gaff
thanks for clarifying those points Pete....

have you been told as to what us other teams have to play to be considered for 2005? e.g. if we played Div Xball in the US all season would we get offered a place in 2005 for the EXL, or do we have to play Suerleague? or Div 1 MS? or any?

it would be great if someone from the MS would actually come on here and give the low down on it all!
Gaff, if all of the 8 teams who are supposed to be playing 2004 EXL elect to take up their options then it will be these teams who will be offered an automatic place in the 2005 league.
The number of teams to play Pro EXl for that season has yet to be determined and existing teams will have a say in how much or how little the league is expanded from the original 8, leastwise that is how I understand it.
As for the selection criterion for any expansion the EXL undergoes, if indeed it does at end of 2004, I have no idea or if playing Divisional XBall Stateside is gonna help in any selection for EXL 2005, I wouldn't have thought it would do any harm though.
I'll ask Steve and post it up here but I would guess they haven't even fleshed this out as of yet because there are so many things for these guys to do at the moment with regard to setting things up.
 

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Thanks for clarifying Pete

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Given that the EXL will have to run double elimination with 10 teams then, is your posititon still that only 8 Euro teams should be allowed in ?

BEARD:

Kindly explain how you guys are going to run this without the schedule being full of byes - which are essentially unfair advantages ?

Thanks

Nick
Nick, given that we are virtually forced into having the two Yank teams over for the reasons already mentioned then from my point of view I only want two things, for the quality of the league to be upheld in terms of teams involved and that there is a fair and relatively easy way of playing out the double elimination format.
It remains to be seen whether or not the DE format pans out better with 10 or 12 but I tell ya one thing mate, there ain't no way it's gonna be 16 !!!!
I think a phone call to Beard is in order :)
 

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I just got off the blower with Beard.
First off, I had done a quick check on what I believed to be the consequences of moving above the magic number of 8 when playing a double-elimination format.
But I thought I better double check with Beard to make sure I was thinking right.
Basically, the difference between having a ten team league (inc 2 Yanks) as against 12 is minimal.
It's not ideal moving away from 8, never will be but we cannot be forced into the situation that Steve Morris keeps yapping on about where we compromise the quality of the league just so's symmetry is upheld..
It's a case of lesser of evils and common sense here.
 

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Originally posted by Robbo
There is a five-year plan that will include everybody; leastwise this is the working theory.
First year’s predicted expenditure is running at 350,000 Euros with a view that 2005 will bring divisional XBall for everyone.
What is the rationale behind keeping the Supaleague format, then? Not to piss off those who designed it?
 

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Originally posted by jotajotaZ
What is the rationale behind keeping the Supaleague format, then? Not to piss off those who designed it?

There is no way the MS Board are gonna run with the Supaleague format just to appease the people who designed it.
In my opinion, they are running with it to keep two irons in the fire, it's as simple as that !
 

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Re: Re: EXL Plans

Originally posted by Robbo
There is no way the MS Board are gonna run with the Supaleague format just to appease the people who designed it.
In my opinion, they are running with it to keep two irons in the fire, it's as simple as that !
i'm not intentionally being a pain, but who will play the superleague next season?

i presume most if not all of the EXL teams will play in Div 1 Xball US when not at MS events, so who do you honestly see playing this other format? unless this is the only way into the EXL for 2005 i cant see many teams playing it.
 

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Re: Re: EXL Plans

Originally posted by Robbo
In my opinion, they are running with it to keep two irons in the fire, it's as simple as that !
Then all the plans stated by Steve Baldwin are so subject to change depending on how things evolve.

In case XBall loses its appeal the EXL teams would have invested one season (and a lot of money, I guess) in a format to be extinct. Same for PRO teams.

Somehow this "keeping two irons in the fire" (we say "trying to swim and keep your clothes dry") looks to me that will be a trouble bringer next year if one format prevails over the other.
 

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Hey Robbo

“Firstly there is no short-term exclusive plan going on in the EXL with regard to pro teams.
There is a five-year plan that will include everybody”

This means that in 5 years ALL the Pro teams will be playing X-Ball; and then the Amateurs, and so on…right ?

If I understood correctly what you are saying, this could be a big step, basically the end of 7-man games on the MS.
We’re in the presence of history.