Enforcement idea for cheating guns:
- Thread starter Gyroscope
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I can't get my or any other gun to bounce, but that's 'cause I'm cr*p! Most tournaments have the markers checked for bounce before the start of the game during the chrono procedure, so that is when bouncing guns would be discovered.
ISTR there was a big fuss a year or so ago because one ref had the knack of getting almost anything to bounce, and was penalising teams left, right & centre for it while other chrono refs couldn't get the same marker to bounce.
Some refs use their judgement reasonably, some seem to try to find any excuse for penalising players.
still to open to abuse gyro - anyone with limited experience of board programming can make a cheat board that can easily get past the refs.
the only way really to enforce gun rules is to have boards which are supplied by the event organiser and cannot be flashed or chaged in any way.
the only way really to enforce gun rules is to have boards which are supplied by the event organiser and cannot be flashed or chaged in any way.
Besides, both altering points after the game is over and the notion that a player plus one was pulled inapproapriately--if the suspect gun passes inspection--are both deal breakers regardless of what happens or doesn't happen to the guns.
League certified boards are one of only two ways that cheating guns can be found. The other would be to develop a standardized interface for every board for every marker, so that the leagues could run diagnostic software to test for illegal modes (i.e., they all feature some docking interface so that a league computer can send trigger signals to the board, and then detect how many shots the board produces. More shots detected than trigger pulses sent, and your board gets confiscated). But since everybody seems to be perfectly happy cheating their asses off, what's the point? Who's gonna get behind an idea like this? Certainly not the players, and a league without players really can't stay afloat. If you took all the non-cheating players who would be interested in an idea like this and put them all in one league, you'd have barely enough players for a one-bracket tournament.
Gyro:
That's just crazy funny - I definitely like the "gun is destroyed part"
But seriously, there is one major problem with the basic concept of your idea:
It would REALLY suck to beat a team for no losses, only to find out after the game that they were awarded the win, because a ref erroneously pulled 2 players for a gun cheat.
And I promise you - any team ever subjected to having two players pulled on this account, will think it cost them the game - and in many instances might be right.
There is no way you can implement this idea fairly.
The only way to fairly enforce gun rules, is to get equipment that can PROVE cheating.... it's not the easiest way ahead, but it's the fair one.
Nick
That's just crazy funny - I definitely like the "gun is destroyed part"
But seriously, there is one major problem with the basic concept of your idea:
It would REALLY suck to beat a team for no losses, only to find out after the game that they were awarded the win, because a ref erroneously pulled 2 players for a gun cheat.
And I promise you - any team ever subjected to having two players pulled on this account, will think it cost them the game - and in many instances might be right.
There is no way you can implement this idea fairly.
The only way to fairly enforce gun rules, is to get equipment that can PROVE cheating.... it's not the easiest way ahead, but it's the fair one.
Nick
Whether or not the boards are flashable doesn't matter. It's whether or not they are READABLE that matters. A non-flashable board that isn't readable is useless - someone will just make a board the looks like your board, but has different cheater software that can't be reflashed. Youll never know, because you can't check.
A flashable, READABLE board is what you need - hell, doesn't even need to be a board provided by you, as long as it's got a standard microprocessor on it and you can read the software out. Hell, it's even preferable if it's flashable, as ifoyu decide to change the league-certified software, everybody can just flash the new version on the boards they already have.
Poppycock. There is no reason to have to prove cheating. Require the players to prove NOT cheating. If the player can't PROVE that the gun is LEGAL, then the gun is illegal.
"Prove to me your board is legal."
"Uh, how?"
"Let me read what software you have on your board."
"But it's got ueber-secret speeder upper software that makes my marker shoot more balls per trigger pull than someone with different software! I can't let you see that!"
"Because you're cheating?"
See? Piece of cake.
