Enforcement idea for cheating guns:

[Gyroscope]

I was thinking about rules regarding fixed games and incentives to influence behavior just now. So here is my idea for using referee judgement to enforce gun rules:

If a referee suspects a gun of operating illegally during a game, he can eliminate the player and one team mate (1-4-1). If the player cares to dispute the referee's judgement, he can do so. The league then gets to test his gun. If the gun proves to be legal, the player's team is awarded a suitable balance of points. If it can be discovered to operate illegally, the gun is destroyed.

The benefit is that it puts refs back in a position of being able to use their judgement. At the same time, a player has recourse, and crazy judges can't torpedo a team. Also, in the event that someone really is cheating, they will either be subject to a continual disadvantage on field or a financial disadvantage as their guns are destroyed for failing. The gun destruction site could even be an attraction in itself, just like a gallows.

I vote for big smashing compactor plates with spikes, or rapidly spining blades, or maybe even plastic explosives. This would also have benefits for industry, if enough guns were destroyed, by taking some of the slack caused by used gun sales out of the picture.

 

[Dannefaerd]

Interesting.

But it doesn't address the issue of catching those with cheatboards with codes that no ref is going to be able to replicate. What this will do is catch those poor saps who are too stupid to have a board outlined above - or have their gun set up so poorly it "breaks the rules" ...

 

[Gyroscope]

Well, the truly clever and bold will get away with things. The thing is, I include a mechanism for those situations when you know someone is cheating, everyone can tell they're cheating. Then the ref tries to make it happen and can't get it immediately. Well, this allows the ref to apply penalties based on what he knows, whether or not he can prove it right there. A bold player who thinks he can get away with a concealed gun cheat during a more leisurely inspection could risk it, but it is a real risk.

As for the ignorant, I can't say I have a lot of pity for them. Make damn sure your equipment is legal, unless the equipment rules aren't really that important.

 

[Liz]

Originally posted by Gyroscope
As for the ignorant, I can't say I have a lot of pity for them. Make damn sure your equipment is legal, unless the equipment rules aren't really that important.

AFAIK, every marker I've used has been legal and I always try to have them set up in a legal manner. But I was shocked to discover I had some trigger bounce recently - I could never have got the marker to bounce and wouldn't have tried, but someone who is pretty good at it managed with a little effort. So in this case I did my very best to "make damn sure my equipment is legal" but it wasn't quite (by a small amount) - would I really deserve to have my lovely marker destroyed and have to buy a new one which I couldn't afford? Apparently it's very hard to stop an electro marker from having any bounce whatsoever, I wouldn't know as I don't have the knack!

 

[Cuttsy]

U cant destroy some ones marker, just because its operating illegally during a game. even tho it would be very funny for some one on the opposit team..it wouldnt be very funny for some one who has just spent loads of dosh on a new marker..

 

[Tom Allen]

Entertaining, but you should put up a notice on your computer....


DON'T USE WHEN STONED...........

 

[Cuttsy]

Ha stoned, im not stoned iv only had some...anyway i spelled it correctly..o fine ill change it to summat better

 

[EyeFellOva]

How about:

You have a list of "Certified Boards"

These can be made available pretty cheaply by the companies that already make the boards. Make one board for each kind of marker. Let's face it, it's only really the newer markers that have cheat boards, I know they're out there for just about every marker, but you genereally see a small group of markers being used in tournies.

These boards should be made to look different to every other board... like blue pcbs etc. If you find someone using a different board their marker is confiscated. The board is checked more thoroughly and if it's not on the list of certified boards it's destroyed. The player is then fined, banned, and forced to purchase if he wished to ever play in the series again.

If 2 or more people on a team (especially a sposored team) are using none certified boards then the team is banned and fined.

 

[Gyroscope]

You guys ever heard of Tom Swift? I wonder if he was accused of drug use when he started advising on population control policy.

I can't see that any series would have the resolve to have such a harsh penalty. I can't see players entering such a tournament. But I will say this: if it were the only game in town, and the penalty were harsh enough to actually scare people into compliance, gun manufacturers would be making guns that didn't bounce and people would be buying them.

The underlying concept is still valid, I think: if rules are difficult to enforce, make the penalties harsher and try like crazy to catch people even though it is tough. Use human judgement, and only get into the draconian stuff if someone wants to demand empirical evidence.

What I like about my proposal is that referees can use their judgement to enforce gun rules. Liz, I doubt you would ever get the 1-4-1 even pulled on you if you cannot get your own gun to bounce. Therefore, you wouldn't be in a position to dispute the referee's call, and your lovely gun would not get blown up, dissolved in acid, crushed, or eaten by leopards.

 

[coombzy]

Something I saw suggested on another forum was that every player could be required to use a hopper supplied by the tourney organisers, one that will not feed faster than 15bps.

obviously this idea has a large number of drawbacks which I am too lazy to point out..... but its an interesting thought nonetheless