Electro Ban

[Richard Kirke (DUPS Rocket) UK]

I think we should ban all electronic guns. This is not an attempt to get flamed by the world and his electro shooting wife, so bare with me:

1) They remove a great deal of the skill of playing painball, I am aware that the same can be said of the semi, the slam-fire and the pump, but I am new to the sport and do not rember suck days. My main evidence for this is the remarkable change in form of the Naughty Dogs, an awesome team who have jumped up to pro this season having been playing with cockers, now they shoot e-cockers they won a 10-man pro division.

2) The increadibly light trigger makes them more likely to cause an accident than a mechanical marker.

3) They are too easy to cheat with. Tampering with boards makes them capable of covertly breaking almost any rules, from fully auto (increadibly easy with some guns...) to, rumour has it, increaing the velocity

4) They make "bonus balling" (a euphamism for being a ****head) easier, this is dangerous and unnecesary.

5) They make being hit repeatadly even by accident a great deal more likely, so increasingly the chance of injury (headshots for example).

6) They can seriously put off new players, one good hosing from an Angel when all you've got is a rental blowback and you can loose interest really fast.

So that's why I think that they should be banned.

FYI:
I know that this will never ever happen, there is too much invested in electros.

I do not own an electro (yet, I will probably buy one when I have the money, it is hard to compete without one).

Go on then, why am I worng?

Richard

 

[stongle]

Well you can't get Caller display on a Site Inferno!!!!!!!

 

[Red_Merkin]

3) They are too easy to cheat with. Tampering with boards makes them capable of covertly breaking almost any rules, from fully auto (increadibly easy with some guns...) to, rumour has it, increaing the velocity

all guns should have sealed boards.
If you get caught with a gun with full auto, (in england) you should be arrested.
Also players intentionally tampering with their guns should thrown out of the series.

I think going forward, rental sites will have to start offering electros, for one punters shoot more paint which means more $$$
for the site owners.
Another option is for sites to keep gun owners from playing with the punters. Personally i get no satisfaction from shooting some camo clad fool with a rental gun.

Safety is everyone's concern, however in a lot of ways electros add a level of safety in the sense that you can turn the gun off.

Deal with bonus balling by finding out which @sshole did it and take a dump on the hood of his car.

PS if this dosn't get 'em talking then i don't know what will.

 

[TJ Lambini]

1) No disrespect to anyone, but even with last season's guns Dogs were always coming 1st or 2nd at LA

2) Can you say RT?

3) And mechanical guns are easy to dial up to 400fps, which is far more dangerous...you can't legislate against cheats, they will always cheat, you just have to catch em and ban em.

4) See above.

5) That's why they should cap ROF at 14BPS on all guns and have done with it.

6) They can seriouslyattract new players who go 'Holy **** - I gotta get me one of them'

I do think we need a Nascar style restriction though - why was tha old 14BPS agreed industry cap removed BTW?

 

[Red_Merkin]

I do think we need a Nascar style restriction though - why was tha old 14BPS agreed industry cap removed BTW?

Someone made a gun that shot faster, and everyone followed suit, because it would have hurt sales if they didn't
Money again, the greedy b@stards

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
1) No disrespect to anyone, but even with last season's guns Dogs were always coming 1st or 2nd at LA

2) Can you say RT?

3) And mechanical guns are easy to dial up to 400fps, which is far more dangerous...you can't legislate against cheats, they will always cheat, you just have to catch em and ban em.

4) See above.

5) That's why they should cap ROF at 14BPS on all guns and have done with it.

6) They can seriouslyattract new players who go 'Holy **** - I gotta get me one of them'

I do think we need a Nascar style restriction though - why was tha old 14BPS agreed industry cap removed BTW?

It was 13 bps (hence the Viking and Excal being capped as that rate for sooo long.)
I think it was removed cos noone adhered to it.

Paul.

 

[manike]

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
why was tha old 14BPS agreed industry cap removed BTW?

It was a 'voluntary' agreement... that not everybody who manufactured guns was in agreement with... so it had little chance to survive anyway.

And also some mechanical guns could theoretically break it and there was no way of limiting them back.

Richard it's a tough subject. When electro guns first came out I pointed out the cheating capabilities but it's a progress that has been unstoppable.

In all honesty I agree with TJ, although it is easier to cheat with an electro and not easily get caught, players will always cheat whatever equipment they are using. Players used to cheat even in the old stock class days. We just need to catch them or make the risk just not worth taking.

I used to do a huge amount of judging and we would work out ways to cheat with the guns just so that we could stop people doing it on field and know what to look for. It's remarkable some of the ingenious methods that have been developed. Sad thing is it's becoming harder and harder to stop

 

[Jamie B]

12g's in ya pockets to warm em up...........ka booom!! 350fps!

theres always a way

lets not even get into what you can still do with mech cockers....

 

[manike]

Jamie do you remember the 'mr thumb' or was it 'mr hat'? specifically designed piece of rubber...

I think the cocker was always one of the easiest guns to 'manipulate' and that may be why the myth of them having longer range arose

 

[Richard Kirke (DUPS Rocket) UK]

Rebuttle to TJ

1) Maybe so, it was just an example.

2) Can you say RT?
The RT is a whole lot harder to trigger than an uuber short E-blade for example.

3) This is true, but you can catch that by half decent judging and chronying the gun onto the field. There are markers that can (with factory settings) be shot fully auto undetectably. How many guns have their boards examined at tourneys anyway?

4) Still easiest with an electro.

>5) That's why they should cap ROF at 14BPS on all guns and have done with it.
I agree, but that isn't going ot happen, and we know it. 14bps is still a hosing.


>6) They can seriouslyattract new players who go 'Holy **** - I gotta get me one of them'

I do think we need a Nascar style restriction though - why was tha old 14BPS agreed industry cap removed BTW?

Yes, but at your first tournament if you get hosed you are pretty likely not to come back for a second helping.

Are the cocker cheats still doing the rounds, or are they now all well enough known by the judges to be impossible to attempt? I have to say I may be knew to this game, but I have no idea how (or inclination) to do anything illegal with mine.

Richard