eblade advanced settings

[Gurney]

I ran with EYE ON, my understanding was that the only part the EYE overides is the CON time.....
I will admit Im not what you would call a cocker tech, ive just seen these settings and applied em to my marker

 

[Skeet]

Well...it's a pile of turd in the sense, that generally speaking, fine tuning can only be done to a specific marker..that is to say, what may work on yours, may not work on another.

If it's Nexus Spec, does it have a 44 Ram and QEV's? If so...then CDEL should, be set at 006..otherwise, its possible that the bolt starts moving again, before the hammer and valve etc, have finished what they are doing.

Why would you use settings that give you 17 odd Bps max...(I'm assuming with the eye off, otherwise theres no point anyway) when using the eye means that your max rate of fire is only limited to your fingers, and your hopper?

Yes, the idea of Fact settings, are so that A) it gives the beginner a place to start, as they dont all have super base cockers to start with, teh frame is designed so that it will fit on even the most basic, of old school cockers...which, would be better of with Fact Slow, or Fact Medium.
and B) So taht if you do, have a fiddle...and cock it up...you can easily return to a set of parameters that are known to work.

So..were you using the Eye during CC?

 

[Skeet]

What may have saved you, when using that COFF time...would be if you arent using a 44 Ram and QEV's...although the CDEL is only 3 milliseconds, the less efficient ram setup, was probably slow enough to prevent problems

 

[Gurney]

Ok Im interested to know what settings you would suggest, as it says nexus spec (magnum 44 and qevs included).......because I have found the settings I have at the moment quicker than FF

 

[jahlad]

our entire team uses factory fast with cdel 6 with no probs and they are plenty fast!

gurney: by way of an experiment, next time you are at the field, turn your eye off and rattle a couple dozen shots off with paint.....hows it perform? chop? id be suprised if you can feed it consistantly at that speed......what hopper do you use?

 

[Gurney]

Ok cool, I will try FF with CDEL 6........but will try it with the settings I have now and eye off.

Hopper = Y boarded egg

Thank you for the info fellas

 

[jahlad]

no probs, im not rubbishing your settings or anything but experience with the eblade has taught me to trust the factory programming that jack and flash set up and use the eye unless it breaks for what ever reason......when i built my turtle cocker i had setting that cycled at over 22bps but getting the paint in there was a twat! i was chopping even with a halo but in factory fast it was just as fast but as the hopper emptied i didnt get the chops

 

[Richie-Carrot]

hmm guess i will put the settings back and set cdel to 6 not to poo poo you guerny but i have tried jahlaads methods in the pst, also skeetmassters info has always been cock on, oh well out with the alen keys, shame it cannot get paint through at that speed

 

[Skeet]

Been having a nose around the PB nation settings thread...now..it appears that some people are running COFF times (Only CON is affected by the Eye) around 19...however...Flash has told me that Jack Runs 25 Milliseconds.

I have to think, when it comes to the sequences really..as for what I can gather it goes a bit like this.

Marker is cocked with a ball in the breech.

Pull the trigger (releases hammer)...SON time determines how long the sear is released for...this can be as short as you like, but must actually be long enough to release the hammer, otherwise, it will be down and up before th hammer can move!!

Then you have a delay between the sear being released, and the gun starting to recock..this is determined by CDEL. This allows time for the hammer to hit the valve, open it..and allow sufficient time for the air to flow through, and push the ball out, before the Ram starts to push the bolt back, to reload....if this time is too short, the bolt will move back, before the valve has closed which means insufficent air will flow, to push the ball out and will give drop off and also (I think) lead to inefficiency....if its too long, this will give dead time, which reduces rate of fire. It would seem to me, that the best timing for this part, means that the bolt is starting to move back AS the valve is closing, overlap if you like.
I think it will also produce Blowback, if not correct.

Ok...so, now you have the ram pushing the block back...this is determined by CON...CON comprises of two parts...a) The opening time, which is how long the solenoid must be powered up for, to allow the ram to push the block back far enough to just catch the sear and B) The load time, which is how much time is allowed for the ball to drop fully into the breech, as I said a HALO B takes about 20 milliseconds to do this..so the combined times for each bit, will give the minimum CON time....if too short, the gun will not recock..if too long, again this will reduce maximum ROF. So...now, we should have the gun recocked, and a ball in the breech. Dont forget, that in Eye mode he gun decides how long this needs to be.

Then as soon as the CON time has expired, or the Eye detects a ball...the solenoid switchesair to the back of the ram to close, the bolt...this is determined by the COFF time...this is how long it takes, for the Ram to close the bolt back up again, ready for the next shot.

Right..bear in mind...that, SON and CDEL start at the same time so they overlap, they are not one after the other.
Say it takes 20MS to open the bolt and cock the gun, and a further 20 MS to load teh ball..so if you set COFF time too short, with the EYE off relying on too short a CON time the bolt will retract, before the ball is fully loaded, which means it wil either not load the ball, or it will chop it..if te COFF time is too long..it will reduce maximum ROF..

Im not too sure where im going with this now, coz my brain hurts!! So..can anyone settle my thoughts on exactly what will cause blowback...I have my ideas, but want tehm confirmed, as although it seems obvious, never having had the problem..im not 100%!!

 

[Richie-Carrot]

think the key is to give it a try on a practice day, but have allen keys at the ready and a **** load of baby wipes just in case ! lol

so guerney may not have been bull****ting after all ? think it needs to be tried skeet, but as i say at a practice, putting the marker through as many situations as poss, i have a prac on sat i will keep you posted with results lol thanks to all yet again with the info and wisdom