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JoseDominguez

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I said charged, not done....... got thrown out, but it gives them enough to hold you for a bit.
Water bombs, driving through a puddle.........all come under the same thing.
 

Silentbob

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This is the unfortunate problem

There is the statutes and legislation which are the framework for the law, the problem is, that most of the legal wording is open to 'interpretation' by the reader. The rozzas will 'interprate' the legislation, and if they dont understand it, they will 'make' it read how they want it to read. Been through all this stuff, and there is no resolute definition that either sets us free, or damns us to hell. Pretty much stalemate on the legal side.

EDIT:Btw I was wearing smashing new C4 Pants when I wrote this :D
 

JoseDominguez

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yup, but then again, they haven't locked any of us up for ten years for owning a full auto "firearm" :) that definition amounts to (paraphrasing) "anything capable of firing more than one round per trigger pull without significant modification" (switching a chip, plugging in a PDA or flicking dip switches is not significant) they just leave us alone as they don't really understand, still "just a paintball marker" if they ever do clamp down we are knackered on all fronts.
Also.....is a marker still a pistol.... just got so heavy that we use them two handed now (you can put a stock, foregrip sight etc on an air pistol, it's still a pistol)., still the same one handed design though..........so how come we can go to 12 flbs? and take the PT pistol etc....... definately a pistol, no one makes you chrony them at half velocity though :)
 

TonyF

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Sep 22, 2002
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Originally posted by Silentbob
Ahem, paintball markers either use AIR or CO2, neither of which are classed as noxious, as for the paint, it is not classed as noxious either, so they cant have you on that one.
Silentbob, If you take the time to check my post again, you will see I placed the word "liquid" in bold!
By any definition the paint used in a paintball is a liquid.
At the end of the day with regards eBay, they are not interested in the letter of the law. They may impose any regulations they like on advertising items for sale
 

TonyF

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Sep 22, 2002
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Originally posted by JoseDominguez
[Byup, but then again, they haven't locked any of us up for ten years for owning a full auto "firearm" that definition amounts to (paraphrasing) "anything capable of firing more than one round per trigger pull without significant modification" (switching a chip, plugging in a PDA or flicking dip switches is not significant.........and take the PT pistol etc....... definately a pistol, no one makes you chrony them at half velocity though [/B]
If you were to be stopped with ANY marker capable of firing full auto or burst mode in the U.K. then you are in big trouble, because you would be in posession of an illegal firearm, with no arguments. To be honest what happens next would really be down to why you were stopped in the first place and your general attitude to being stopped. At the very least you should expect your pride and joy to be visiting the local furnace.
By definition of the law the PT should be chrono'd at 6ft/lb. Simply because it is marketed as a pistol. Most other markers, fall under the "air weapon other than an air pistol" umbrella.

Markers all fall into the air weapons catagory under the firearms act:
http://www.met.police.uk/firearms-enquiries/airguns1.htm
 

Saris

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Oct 21, 2003
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ebay ripoffs

I've quit using ebay since I been ripped off on 2 out of my last 3 auctions. Once I sent the cheque and got no item, next time I sent the item and the cheque bounced. Granted using cheques isn't the best way to do it but there are loads more ebay scams now than there was a year or so ago...the last ripoff I was subject to is being investigated by the Miami police and they're looking to see if I'm willing to testify!!!
 

JoseDominguez

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Originally posted by TonyF
If you were to be stopped with ANY marker capable of firing full auto or burst mode in the U.K. then you are in big trouble, because you would be in posession of an illegal firearm, with no arguments. To be honest what happens next would really be down to why you were stopped in the first place and your general attitude to being stopped. At the very least you should expect your pride and joy to be visiting the local furnace.
By definition of the law the PT should be chrono'd at 6ft/lb. Simply because it is marketed as a pistol. Most other markers, fall under the "air weapon other than an air pistol" umbrella.

Markers all fall into the air weapons catagory under the firearms act:
http://www.met.police.uk/firearms-enquiries/airguns1.htm
so why hasn't it ever happened?
Because the police in general are completely unaware of this legal point (like a lot of players, they know it's against the rules, not aware that it's a criminal offence). As for the pistol thing...... most markers have a pistol grip and a one handed design, just because our technique has switched to two handed, doesn't mean it's not a pistol :) look at the basic marker.. it's a slightly lengthened pistol..... you can add a long barrel, stock, scope, foregrip etc... etc... to an air pistol, doesn't change it's classification. There's been no test cases involving markers.. the laws weren't written to include them so I'm just speculating, as we all are.
We'll only find out for definite when someone is mouthy to a copper who paintballs and knows this.........then he spots your race and palm pilot or your second hand US import angel. You don't have to use or intend to use full auto.........you just have to have the capability.
 

TonyF

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Sep 22, 2002
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It could be worse than we all think!

According to the CPS,
"Paintball guns are a form of air weapon._It is arguable that they are prohibited weapons under section 5 of the 1968 Act. However, the Home Office regard self-loading or pump action_rifled airguns (including paintball guns) as outside the scope of section 5, unless they are sufficiently powerful to fall within the category of a "specially dangerous" air weapon (Archbold, 24.8a)"
Problem is, it seems no one in the govenment has kept up to date with developments in paintball and pump action markers with rifled barrels are no longer the norm.
Anyway not gonna post anymore, has this has gone way off topic.
topic mode on
Ebay now sucks!