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peegee

peegee

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the two chambers are the one comunicated betweeen usin the tail of the bolt ie the dump and predump, the tail seals of the predump before releasing the dump,



if it was the case of the dump chamber and the the chamber created when the bolt moves forward then the automag would be Massive prior art along with the nova.

The shocker bolt(HE) and the Evolve bolt both shut the supply to the dump of direct there is no comunication. It will all boild down to a war of words and what you class as a chamber you could class the drilled passageway for the air to the predump a chamber as well making it 3 then what about the little chamber at the top of the reg that stores air as well it will go on for ages

Patents are about advancement if you can show inventive step the you are ok
so going from the matrix spool to the shocker spool is a big step and the going from the non sealing shockerchamber to a sealing single chamber spool like the evolve bolt again is enough inventive step.

Allthough it pains me to say it my money is on SP for this one

peegee
 
Rabies

Rabies

Trogdor!
Jul 1, 2002
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Originally posted by peegee
the two chambers are the one comunicated betweeen usin the tail of the bolt ie the dump and predump, the tail seals of the predump before releasing the dump,
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The chambers are the space behind the top hat and the space in front of the top hat (which vents directly through the bolt.) In a Shocker the interface between the second chamber and the face of the bolt has been removed. That's not the big difference I see after re-reading the patent.

The patent wording relies heavily on the existance of the piston rod, which the Shocker doesn't have, instead using the bolt itself to open and seal the air paths.

Dye clearly don't think that's a problem, and seem to feel that the specific thing that makes a stock Shocker not fall under the patent is the fact that it doesn't seal the air source when it fires, hence all the stuff about the HE bolt, which does seal the air source thus bringing it a step closer to the Dye patent. But I think it all still falls down on the piston rod.

Patents are about advancement if you can show inventive step the you are ok
so going from the matrix spool to the shocker spool is a big step and the going from the non sealing shockerchamber to a sealing single chamber spool like the evolve bolt again is enough inventive step.
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Patents may have originally been about advancement, but that's not what they're about now. Moreover, if you adapt patented material, even if you then get a patent on the advancement, the original patent holder can still prevent you using the invention if it is still covered by the wording of their patent.
 
peegee

peegee

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The only claims that matter in this are 9 onwards this is exactly why aardvark developed the slam valve if you look at the slam valve the front section of the bolt is the same upto the top hat and shot chamber the rear portion of the bolt assembly comunicates with the gas supply differently hence why he has a granted patent.

I have spent the last 2 years developing bolts and assemblys for the matrix and shocker. After dye stopped all aftermarket companys we worked on the shocker bolt developing the shutoff technique that we have had a granted uk patent on and pending US. We have had patent laywers look over them and they think it is fine we even cited the matrix a patent as a referance for the patent office and they gave us a grade a inventive step.

The only thing with any meat on it in the matrix patent is the way it shuts off the gas supply from the main dump chamber. But because they use 2 chambers to do this the pre dump and dump(predump being the area behind the spacer) and the dump (the area surrounding the tophat)

I have talked in length about this with one of the named inventors of the matrix patent and the guy that sold it to dye Smartparts has a very strong case here and dye will have there work cut out.


peegee
 
Richie-Carrot

Richie-Carrot

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i understand that it all boils down to sales etc but its becoming a joke its this (compensation / claim culture) that society is becoming, everyone wants to sue each other for a few quid in the bank account ! why cant all the firms work together to promote growth to the industry ? (or is greed going to imprison us all ?????)



ta Richie the winger dude
 
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