Dye eliminating 3rd party aftermarket bolt kits?
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Let's face it - the automotive exhaust system probably isn't patented by Ford. It's a long-standing system, so anyone can design something for it. Now if it was a copy of Ford's special patented shifter-widget-thingy, it would be a different story.
Dye patented their bolt design so they can sue for a direct use of that design (i.e. a straight up copy). If Aardvark's bolt has some significant differences, or they can show their bolt came before Dye's, then they shouldn't have to worrry about this lawsuit (I'm not sure how the Gen E Matrix patents figure into this).
Hmmm, is this the beginning of a new trend for the big manufacturers - "additional revenue through creative legal action"?
I can't wait to see who National goes after... 
Originally posted by Toxic Dave from Toxic Performance/gen-e:
One of the main reasons Dye is doing this is warantee support. An incredible amount of the problems that are encountered with Matrix's that we and Dye get in to fix are aftermarket bolt part related. We get markers in with 4 different companies bolt parts in them and they are working terrible, and people can't understand why. We get markers in with aftermarket bolt parts that don't come with spacer tubes and the people don't think to put one in. Anything you can think of we get in and we fix it generally free of charge.
Dye hasn't told anybody to stop making anything but bolt parts, not asa's not grip frames, not feed tubes or breeches, all they ask is people don't make bolt parts.
They aren't trying to hurt their product, they are in fact trying to strengthen it by helping the marker to be more reliable by taking out the variables that aftermarket parts create.
I hope some of this makes sense, even if you don't agree.
dave
This from pbnation.com, posted by Hawk.
So there you have it. I think it would have been cheaper and more politically expedient to simply void warrantees if aftermarket parts were installed, but what do I know.
One of the main reasons Dye is doing this is warantee support. An incredible amount of the problems that are encountered with Matrix's that we and Dye get in to fix are aftermarket bolt part related. We get markers in with 4 different companies bolt parts in them and they are working terrible, and people can't understand why. We get markers in with aftermarket bolt parts that don't come with spacer tubes and the people don't think to put one in. Anything you can think of we get in and we fix it generally free of charge.
Dye hasn't told anybody to stop making anything but bolt parts, not asa's not grip frames, not feed tubes or breeches, all they ask is people don't make bolt parts.
They aren't trying to hurt their product, they are in fact trying to strengthen it by helping the marker to be more reliable by taking out the variables that aftermarket parts create.
I hope some of this makes sense, even if you don't agree.
dave
This from pbnation.com, posted by Hawk.
So there you have it. I think it would have been cheaper and more politically expedient to simply void warrantees if aftermarket parts were installed, but what do I know.
Apparently the Slam-bolt is different enough that it will probably be able to dodge this. The patents that Dye bought rights to are apparently the ones formerly held by Gen-E. That means that Dye can, they argue, stop the use of any design that is essentially the same, even if tolerances are improved or different materials are employed or what have you, so long as the patent of the part in question post dates the Gen-E patent.
I think that Dye avoids being a monopoly because A) there are many other paintball markers available, and you don't have to buy theirs, and B) they don't have a little shoe, car, clothes iron, scottish terrier, or thimble in any of their products. I think that they will not only pass GO, but will also collect at least $200.
I think that Dye avoids being a monopoly because A) there are many other paintball markers available, and you don't have to buy theirs, and B) they don't have a little shoe, car, clothes iron, scottish terrier, or thimble in any of their products. I think that they will not only pass GO, but will also collect at least $200.
If anyone here wants anti-Dye stuff (logos, etc.), go to the pbnation Dye Matrix section. The site is mostly Americans, so they are on a different time schedule from this site. Very nice for insomniacs like me to have 24 hours of discussion.