Under the current rules, what happens when a foriegn team comes to the UK. Do they have to buy HSE bottles to play over here. If this is the case we probably won't get any internationals over here.
DOT bottles & international tournies in UK
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No, visiting foreigners can use DOT (& any other national standard that exists other than DOT/HSE) whilst in the UK with no problem since their stay is only temporary.
If they stayed longer - I'm not sure if there is a defined length of time, but I'm assuming beyond 2-4 weeks ie. a reasonable duration for a vacation - then they have to comply with UK regulations and use a HSE bottle.
The reverse would hold true if a Brit played in the US - they could use their HSE standard bottle as long as they were only a temporary visitor.
This is how the law has been for years, originally for scuba and such, it's only the lack of awareness amongst us paintballers that make it seem 'current'.
If they stayed longer - I'm not sure if there is a defined length of time, but I'm assuming beyond 2-4 weeks ie. a reasonable duration for a vacation - then they have to comply with UK regulations and use a HSE bottle.
The reverse would hold true if a Brit played in the US - they could use their HSE standard bottle as long as they were only a temporary visitor.
This is how the law has been for years, originally for scuba and such, it's only the lack of awareness amongst us paintballers that make it seem 'current'.
Who fills the bottle though as theoretically the site cannot or do they have special dispensation in these cases?
Stoooopid!!
This is the stupidity of the UK system
If I am English and happen to own a DOT bottle, which could well be in test I could not get the bottle filled from a commercial source, yet if some 'Johnny Foreigner' comes swanning over here in search of silverware they are able to get their bottle filled, no problem !!
How on earth can they say that filling their bottle represents less risk than filling mine ?????
Do the companies have speacial Insurance Policies that state "Thoud shalt not fill DOT bottles unless the guy who owns it is foreign" ?
What happens if a foreigner DOT bottle explodes whilst refilling, I'm betting the insurance company would not pay out ??
Enter Hotpoint, he loves talking aboout this malarkey
This is the stupidity of the UK system
If I am English and happen to own a DOT bottle, which could well be in test I could not get the bottle filled from a commercial source, yet if some 'Johnny Foreigner' comes swanning over here in search of silverware they are able to get their bottle filled, no problem !!
How on earth can they say that filling their bottle represents less risk than filling mine ?????
Do the companies have speacial Insurance Policies that state "Thoud shalt not fill DOT bottles unless the guy who owns it is foreign" ?
What happens if a foreigner DOT bottle explodes whilst refilling, I'm betting the insurance company would not pay out ??
Enter Hotpoint, he loves talking aboout this malarkey
DOT -V- HSE
I know it's been done to death
But if you go to both DOT & HSE web sites and have a look as how they are tested you will see that they are both the same
It is just a case of each manufacturer wanting you to buy there product
Do you honestly think that there safety standard is below ours
you don't see there bottles exploding all the time, and they probably sell more over there than HSE bottles over here
bear in mind that fibre wrapped bottles are used in all types of applications
where i work they are used as accumilators on hydraulic systems subjected to many presure changes in a day
haven't heard of one blowing up yet
if you took it to the letter of the law then aircraft that land and stay in an airport longer than two weeks would have to change all there bottles
to many people buy there bottles and don't look after them
how many have you seen with out covers on them
if you are concerned about safety then ask yourself when you last changed your lens in your goggles (i change mine at least 4 times a year, more if there scrached)
All of the above just my thoughts
I know it's been done to death
But if you go to both DOT & HSE web sites and have a look as how they are tested you will see that they are both the same
It is just a case of each manufacturer wanting you to buy there product
Do you honestly think that there safety standard is below ours
you don't see there bottles exploding all the time, and they probably sell more over there than HSE bottles over here
bear in mind that fibre wrapped bottles are used in all types of applications
where i work they are used as accumilators on hydraulic systems subjected to many presure changes in a day
haven't heard of one blowing up yet
if you took it to the letter of the law then aircraft that land and stay in an airport longer than two weeks would have to change all there bottles
to many people buy there bottles and don't look after them
how many have you seen with out covers on them
if you are concerned about safety then ask yourself when you last changed your lens in your goggles (i change mine at least 4 times a year, more if there scrached)
All of the above just my thoughts
there not. Hse bottles are tested more rigoursly that dot bottles. The procedure may be the same but the pressure's aren't. Also on your note about airplane's no airplane stays in one place longer than a day or two and the two weeks starts when you enter the country or maybe when you get it first filled. Also do airplane hydraulics need to be refilled? not being an aircraft engineer i wouldn't know bu they use fluids not air don't they?
On aircraft i was referring to the oxygen supply
as to the hydraulics they use accumilators to keep the pressure up in case of a hydraulic leak/failure, extra demand on the system
an accumilator is a cylinder containing usually a rubber bag filled to a high pressure of nitrogen on top of the oil to keep the nitrogen away from the oil, which has to be tested exactly the same way as any pressure vessel
as to the hydraulics they use accumilators to keep the pressure up in case of a hydraulic leak/failure, extra demand on the system
an accumilator is a cylinder containing usually a rubber bag filled to a high pressure of nitrogen on top of the oil to keep the nitrogen away from the oil, which has to be tested exactly the same way as any pressure vessel
Ok
DotvHSE
1.They are tested to the same pressures ie they are rated the same.
2. The reason they are different is that the HSE specify a higher number of bottles be tested to destruction. DOT less numbers.
That is why HSE bottles are more expensive. And technically safer as each batch is designated as HSE or DOT and say 1in 50 tested to destruction in HSE batches and 1 in 100 in DOT.
That is my understanding anyway.
Mark
ps many bottles are now dual HSE/DOT over here as the HSE test exceeds the requirements of the DOT, so therefor ok for both.
Its not the other way round
DotvHSE
1.They are tested to the same pressures ie they are rated the same.
2. The reason they are different is that the HSE specify a higher number of bottles be tested to destruction. DOT less numbers.
That is why HSE bottles are more expensive. And technically safer as each batch is designated as HSE or DOT and say 1in 50 tested to destruction in HSE batches and 1 in 100 in DOT.
That is my understanding anyway.
Mark
ps many bottles are now dual HSE/DOT over here as the HSE test exceeds the requirements of the DOT, so therefor ok for both.
Its not the other way round