D7 Results 22nd August

[A.B]

By one test i mean a series of tests similar to the millenium style tests- this should cover all gats and peculiaritys that make them bounce- or as near as dammit.

if it takes 20 seconds of slowly pulling a trigger to release two balls from a gun- hell i'd play that team- face it most times the bounce discovered takes a long time to find and involved many single shots along the way- the few guns that go auto after being checked- now thats where my gripe is- feather light triggers are not safe and will allow the gun to auto fire


But anyway enough about this there has been 101 threads on bounce etc- this one is sposed to be about Dartford.

A.B

 

[Ralph]

Originally posted by A.B
State a test prior to the event publically- then use this test only

There are couple of problems with having a blanket test that covers all.
1: Not all markers are set up the same. So what is good for 1 may not be good 4 another.
2: It's like the drug squad at the olympics testing for drug A and the competitors are using drug X.
3: Having a set proceedure and then faultering with one single aspect of the proceedure, how ever minor leads, to all sorts of possible complications.

At the aug D7 i was asked how many shots could the marshal testing the gun fire in order to make it bounce as the tester was using 15 shots in order to make it bounce and he thought that this was excesssive. my answer was "did he stop at the 14th shot during a game so as to not have the gun bounce".

In the good old days of Co2 the marshal could do whatever he could to make your gun draw liquid and go hot. There were no set proceedures and some were better than others at getting guns to go hot and if you got caught it certainly did not seem fair but it made you turn your Fps down in order to compensate for it,should it happen to you.

Maybe there should be an inspection area.where guns are bought in aired, cronyed & bounce checked and never leave the area, only to go on the field. If the gun is removed for what ever reason, it has to go back thru the same proceedure before re-entry to the fields.

 

[Troggy]

Ralph,

In the good old days we were all still running around the woods in camouflage webbing Geez how life has changed!

Marshalls are unarmed players woohoo that one tickled me!

My point is - the game has moved on a hella of a lot. If you think the old style of screw em lets just wing it on the rules nobody will notice then it is time for you sir to stand down as ANY form of ref let alone ultimate!
As an ultimate it is YOUR job to fight for the rules to be changed to make things like this matter clearer for players and YOUR refs.

When we marshalled early on in the season we found a load of holes in the rules, trigger bounce being just one. As field ultimate I felt I was unable to dish out penaltys because the way the rule book was written suggested the teams should be maximum penaltied for relatively minor events (it wasnt till one of my own teams was later in the season subject to this that it was changed by Kieran).
I suggest that you become alot more involved in the off season and get the rules rewritten - hell there is enough people out there that have done it for you already - just dont go and *******ise it like this year with the PA rules - it dont work - end of.

Back to the bounce...

There is NO 100% way of testing gats for bounce. We know this, the Millenniums are still doing exactly what the D7's do - yes they have their "methods of testing" but you try and argue with a millennium ref if you feel he is doing it wrong - you won't be joining the field with your gat! The NPPL's even brought in a robot to do the job...at the first event even that was scrapped!!!
Organisers just dont seem to realise that you cannot have rules in sports that cannot be adhered to 100% where is the fairness in that...oh wait, we're not a sport are we!

As said before, the tournament series was one of if not the best on the UK scene (and I think I have been to just about every series at least once this year). It is obvious there is a problem with some of the rules by the amount of players that are having a moan, then you get a supposed official of the series coming on passing comments like yours.

Are you trying to do Dave out of customers for next year? Rumour has it that the D7's aint gonna be the sole southern tourney next year, I'm sure he could do with a hand to lose some teams to the opposition

 

[MrPink]

Originally posted by Troggy
The NPPL's even brought in a robot to do the job...at the first event even that was scrapped!!!

Troggy - the NPPL robot is still in full effect mate

 

[Troggy]

Originally posted by MrPink
Troggy - the NPPL robot is still in full effect mate

I was waiting to be pulled up on that - didnt come down in words the right way...

As I recall, at the first tournament it was used it was then pulled again as it wasnt working...later brought back in at the next round (I think)

There was another 15trazillion page in Majour Tournaments about how even the robot was bouncing everything or nothing - too long ago to hunt down

 

[gingerchris1]

just having a proper look at the results......how close was div 4 doesnt get ne closer than that

 

[The Mighty Dwarf]

Should trigger bounce be stopped at the manufacturing department thus stop taking the fun out of the sport. I for one have never had my cocker bounce. I have never tinkered with it and its been through a Millennium no probs, then at a D7's event a marshall with all his wits got it to bounce . i am now always worried the same thing is going to happen all the time. What good am i or any player to there team with out a marker on the field. So what markers dont bounce!

 

[Rob (impact uk)]

TB

Steve in the case of your particular gun, I believe your gun wasnt bouncing, it was firing on the return of the trigger which can be taken care of with some easy adjusting, and yes you will get pulled on it we were because of it in amstedam.