Couple'a questions about HB

[Baca Loco]

Have just looked over the NPPL '05 rules as they pertain to the Docs DQ after the quarters. The way I read the rules none of the players Docs used qualified as Pro unless they were also on a roster of one of The 18. Further, the qualifier of Semi-pro status from outside the NPPL ranks is having PLAYED for a team previously recognized as "Pro" and if current reports are to be believed that would have only meant Dearman.
Seems this whole thing could have been avoided if the relevant portion of 3.08 had specified players rostered on previously recognized Pro teams instead of plainly saying played.

Anybody know what the actual ruling in HB was? And if Docs turned in a roster prior to the event with all the players who played listed how come no decision was made until after the quarters on Sunday?

The other thing I was curious about was the implementation of the new "gun cheats" rules with the heavy point penalty etc. instead of the team DQ. Seems a much better idea but I wonder what the actual procedure was before making that decision?
(Whale, if you see this perhaps you could offer an answer?)

Also, does anybody know if Philly players played for Tigers in fact during the event as was making the rumor rounds last week before play started?

 

[sykesg]

No, there were no Philly's

 

[Steve Morris]

How was the gun cheating? Noticable?

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by sykesg
No, there were no Philly's

But that's not the whole answer, is it?

Have also heard that in regards to the Docs DQ that Dan Perez was prepared to rule in Docs favor but was overuled. Don't know if it's true but comes from a reliable source. If anyone who knows would like to come on and give an official statement that would be swell.

Have also heard Doc is considering suing the league though whether there are an legal grounds or not I've no idea. (I do know Doc can be a very angry guy.)

 

[shamu]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
The other thing I was curious about was the implementation of the new "gun cheats" rules with the heavy point penalty etc. instead of the team DQ. Seems a much better idea but I wonder what the actual procedure was before making that decision?
(Whale, if you see this perhaps you could offer an answer?)

They added two new marker penalties this year, one for really hot markers that shoot over 320, and one for players that alter their marker when a ref has requested it.

As I recall, it goes like this:
- shooting over 320: multigame suspension (I think it's 6, but I'd have to look it up)
- hitting buttons, trigger, etc after a ref asks for the players marker: (up to)12 game suspension for the player, team plays down, swing points (-100 to the offending team, +100 to the other team)

I don't have my copy of the rules with me, so that might be a little off. They just added these at the rules committee meeting before the event, so they're not in the posted rulebook yet.

Ramping shot violations (more than 1 ball per pull) are still a team DQ.

I have no idea what happened with the Doc's situation. I know that I had just started the semifinal games when I was told to stop, pending resolution of the Doc's challenge.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by shamu
They added two new marker penalties this year, one for really hot markers that shoot over 320, and one for players that alter their marker when a ref has requested it.

As I recall, it goes like this:
- shooting over 320: multigame suspension (I think it's 6, but I'd have to look it up)
- hitting buttons, trigger, etc after a ref asks for the players marker: (up to)12 game suspension for the player, team plays down, swing points (-100 to the offending team, +100 to the other team)

I don't have my copy of the rules with me, so that might be a little off. They just added these at the rules committee meeting before the event, so they're not in the posted rulebook yet.

Ramping shot violations (more than 1 ball per pull) are still a team DQ.

Thanks, Andrew. If you recall correctly then I must say I don't like the addition of positive points to the other team. (Nor do I remember seeing any indication of such on the posted scores at NPPL.tv) The object is to penalise the offending team. In this instance so severely they impact, or hope they impact, the assorted gun cheats they are concerned about 'cus anybody would sooner take the penalty than be DQ'ed as a team but with such a stiff penalty--that in essence requires proof of nothing, only the interpretation of a claimed action--it may very well serve to restrain the cheating impulse.

I might also note that since certain of the rules aren't yet posted in the rulebook the teams are free to argue their validity as a certain team did last season, aren't they? (No need to answer that one. I'm still gnawing on that bite of hypocrisy is all. )

So what's really occurred is the stiffening of the intermediate stage of rules with no substantive change in ramping penalties?

Any idea how many guns ended up being checked out by Robbie this past event?

 

[TJ Lambini]

Did tha NPPL not state that any NXL squad members were classed as Pro last season - hence tha Docs ruling?

Edit add: strike that, cos then it would invalidate many of tha semi-pro teams...

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
Edit add: strike that, cos then it would invalidate many of tha semi-pro teams...

Exactamundo, which is why the rules as written in the '05 book read very differently and also why the great majority of posters on this subject in other places are yammering morons.

 

[Chicago]

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
Did tha NPPL not state that any NXL squad members were classed as Pro last season - hence tha Docs ruling?

Edit add: strike that, cos then it would invalidate many of tha semi-pro teams...

Not to mention, didn't the 2005 rules come out AFTER the press release, and thus supercede them?

Doc got screwed. And yes, he has legal recourse; the league is obligated to follow it's own rules and is liable for damages if it doesn't. (I can't take your entry fee and tell you that there will be an event played under rules X, and then when you get to the event, make up a rule that says you're disqualified and keep your money.)

I can't see any reason Doc's roster was illegal. They had no Pro players (since ALL of the pro players at HB were playing in the Pro division, according to the 2005 NPPL rules), and it doesn't sound like they had more than 2 semi-pros either.

The problem is, NPPL doesn't really have a player classification system, so then when they get in situations like this, since they have no concrete way of resolving it, they get stuck picking between the questionable team or the people whining about the questionable team.


And if Dan Perez was prepared to rule in Docs favor, WHO overruled him? Isn't he the ultimate? You know, *ULTIMATE*? Was it the rules committee?

 

[Chicago]

One other thing...

Pro and semi-pro should be ONE classification, Pro, not two. If you play Pro, you're Pro. If you play Semi-Pro, you're still Pro, but your team doesn't have one of the "good" spots.

Ultimately, if NPPL keeps limiting the number of spots in a division, they should just do away with player classifications entirely.